The 90s didn't have dominant wing players besides Jordan

[Rose'sACL]

LeBron had his career best scoring year following the summer of '05 rule changes. So did Kobe (drafted 96), Iverson (drafted 96), Arenas, Allen (drafted 96), and a few others (we all know how the finals went). Bron also blossomed into a way better player, he didn't even have a jumper back then but he was putting up 31.4 PPG in his third year out of high school. Meanwhile Bean, who at the same exact time would also have a career scoring year 10 years after he was drafted, couldn't deal with the physicality of the 90s.

The 00s on were/are clearly more ideal for perimeter players than the 90s were. Guys can go on about 'advanced defense' or whatever other bullshit they can pull out of their ass, but the facts show this, clearly.

Jordan dominated an era that was geared towards dominant big men, not making it easy for wing players to score, and he played against the greatest collection of dominant bigs arguably of any era. Just look at who was winning the championship, MVP, scoring title, etc when he stepped away momentarily in the middle of the decade. It wasn't 5'11 shooting guards putting up 33 PPG

Anyway, this shit is played out. Dadda out.

first couple of seasons when rules changed were the ones where refs were confused about what to call a foul and i don't care if you use them against those players. Refs changed how they called fouls in 06 and now it is night and day compared to that season when it comes to calling fouls.
Lebron would have been top 3 player in the league in any era with a body like his. Same for durant. He would at least be a top 5 player in the league if not top 3 in any era. His height and shooting would have been a mismatch in any era.

[Rose'sACL]

OP was a toddler in the 90s, so let's be kind to him.

he is not wrong though. No one disputes that htere were great big men in the 90s.

[bizil]

-Drexler was still an All-Star and All-NBA team member in the mid-late 90s.
-Scottie Pippen helped MJ to 6 titles
-Mitch Richmond made all 6 of his all-star/5 all-nba teams between 1992 and 1998
-Chris Mullin was All-NBA first team in 1992 and a Dream Team member that same years.
-Reggie Miller = Playoff Superhero
-Hill and Penny were the new dominant up and coming wing players that were supposed to take the league into the next millenium but it ended up being other young wing players doing so n Kobe (96 draft), McGrady (97 draft) and Vince Carter (98 draft.)

Great points! And Dominique as late as 1994 was putting up 26 a night. I just think that the Golden Era of SG's in the 2000s with Kobe, AI, Wade, T-Mac, Ray Allen, Vince,and Ginobli combined with guys like Pierce and Lebron, who played often in the backcourt, made the previous era in 90's look like a lack of depth at the SG and SF. Which I can see, but I wouldn't go so far to say that MJ was the only dominant wing in the 90's.

[Black Mamba's B]

he used first 2 seasons of AI, McGrady, allen to make his point and when i call him out on it he goes on another route altogether. He thinks that lebron would struggle in the 80s or 90s when he would benefit more from the freedom on offensive end without worrying about offensive fouls as much as he does now given how big he is for a win player.
Kobe would have been the second best wing player along with pippen in the 90s.
Second best wing player in the 90s was playing on Jordan's team.
Kobe has the moves to play in any era and lebron has the body to play in any era. pre-2012 Wade would also have been a superstar in the 90s or any other decade.

The thread starter is a ***

[MiseryCityTexas]

Clyde drexler started to decline after 1992 Reggie miller was never a superstar Grant Hill didn't do much wasn't that great even before the injuries same with Penny

Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, Allan Houston, and Grant Hill's not a shooting guard dumbass.

[MiseryCityTexas]

I wouldn't call any of those guys superstars

Chris Mullin, Mitch Richmond, and Grant Hill weren't superstars? Someone desperately needs to neg rep this guy ASAP.

[Micku]

Why do we give Jordan a pass on this? Such a massive lack of talent. He never really had to face anyone good.

He did. Finals 1991 and 1992. Magic (GOAT PG) and Clyde (one of the top SG in history). Destroyed both of them in performance, lol, lol.

Nah, but seriously tho. He did face Magic and Clyde in the Finals. Magic was still great, and second MVP race and won MVP the prior year. Clyde was great, second MVP to race. In the 80s he faced against a lot more stars perimeter in Isiah Thomas, Wilkins, Bird, Magic, Clyde, Worthy and etc in their prime.

In the 90s, not as much stars on the perimeter except for PGs like Payton, KJ, Penny, Tim Hardaway, Stockton, Mark Price and etc. There are a lot of under appreciated ones like Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, and Drazen Petrovic (short career, rip), and Glen Rice. You still had Mullen and Grant Hill too. But the competition itself isn't that fascinating as much seeing how well could MJ defend those star guys in the early 00s tho. I'm only interested to see MJ defense on those guys. I don't care for the offense cuz they won't stop MJ offensively. Tho MJ is more of a beast with his help defense.

[Soundwave]

Broke knees 40 year old Jordan was able to drop 20 a night still in a league with Kobe, Iverson, T-Mac, Carter, etc.

I don't think it would've made much of a difference in terms of MJ getting his.

What that era lacked in direct wing competetion is compensated for by the fact that the center/PF positions were waaaaaaaaaaay stronger.

Hakeem, Shaq, Ewing, DRob, Zo, Mutombo, Lambieer, Parish ... then at the PF spot, Barkley, Malone, Kemp, etc.

[Soundwave]

Also for all the hype ... what great perimeter players have LeBron James and Kobe Bryant beaten in the playoffs?

LeBron's never played against Wade or Kobe in the post-season.

Kobe had 5'11 Iverson once earlier in his career where he was a clear no.2 banana and Iverson was more a PG/SG hybrid.

LeBron beat a raw Durant. MJ got prime Drexler. I think Kobe's most direct comp was maybe Carmelo that the Lakers beat up on in Denver?

Jordan has faced Drexler, Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Joe Dumars, Steve Smith, Glen Rice, Reggie Miller, Gary Payton and beaten them all in playoff series, many of those wins coming later in his career when he had lost a step.

Kobe/LeBron/Wade/prime T-Mac ... none of these guys really have had to play against each other in the playoffs.

Career wise Kobe's main adversary in the playoffs seems to be Manu Ginobli, LeBron's is maybe Paul Pierce ... those are the guys they're usually playing most in the playoffs.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

When MJ started winning rings there was only one other wingplayer who was a superstar.
And that guy was on his own team

[Marlo_Stanfield]

He did. Finals 1991 and 1992. Magic (GOAT PG) and Clyde (one of the top SG in history). Destroyed both of them in performance, lol, lol.

Nah, but seriously tho. He did face Magic and Clyde in the Finals. Magic was still great, and second MVP race and won MVP the prior year. Clyde was great, second MVP to race. In the 80s he faced against a lot more stars perimeter in Isiah Thomas, Wilkins, Bird, Magic, Clyde, Worthy and etc in their prime.

In the 90s, not as much stars on the perimeter except for PGs like Payton, KJ, Penny, Tim Hardaway, Stockton, Mark Price and etc. There are a lot of under appreciated ones like Mitch Richmond, Latrell Sprewell, and Drazen Petrovic (short career, rip), and Glen Rice. You still had Mullen and Grant Hill too. But the competition itself isn't that fascinating as much seeing how well could MJ defend those star guys in the early 00s tho. I'm only interested to see MJ defense on those guys. I don't care for the offense cuz they won't stop MJ offensively. Tho MJ is more of a beast with his help defense.

Magics team was washed up

[Sarcastic]

Magics team was washed up

Magic Johnson was 31 years old in 1991, and better than any player on this years Spurs team BY FAR!



BY FAR!!!!

[Marlo_Stanfield]

Magic Johnson was 31 years old in 1991, and better than any player on this years Spurs team BY FAR!



BY FAR!!!!

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[TheCorporation]

his career when he had lost a step.

Kobe/LeBron/Wade/prime T-Mac ... none of these guys really have had to play against each other in the playoffs.

LBJ beat down Paul George and Lance Stephenson 3 straight years.
He battled Paul Pierce
Beat down MVP Derek Rose and All-Star Luol Deng
Beat down Durant, Westbrook and Harden when they were all three together
Beat down Melo
Beat down Spurs (Leonard/Parker?)

etc.

[Marlo_Stanfield]

LBJ beat down Paul George and Lance Stephenson 3 straight years.
He battled Paul Pierce
Beat down MVP Derek Rose and All-Star Luol Deng
Beat down Durant, Westbrook and Harden when they were all three together
Beat down Melo
Beat down Spurs (Leonard/Parker?)

etc.

Da ETHER