kobe fans worst nightmare come true? nah. its a duncan/lebron fans worst nightmare

[DFish24]

Agreed OP. Lebron loses and in 2/5 in the Finals. Duncan loses and misses his opportunity to tie Kobe for the second time.

[LeBron 06]

are you dumb?

the whole point of competition and professional sports is to win more often than you lose. if a guy is in the finals 12 times then he fails when hes expected to succeed

one might say... well but he made it to the finals... well if he made it there it means he has a great team. and if every time you reach a point where you're finally facing a comparable team and you fail. then you cant get the job done when you should.


having a great team and always losing with it is allllllllllllot worse than having a poor team and losing with it.

if a guy loses for 11 years on a crap franchise. then finally gets help and wins 1 time in the 12th year. itel show all he needed was the right pieces


but if a guy is on a great franchise and is in the finals 11 years. always losing. but flukes 1 title... its not nearly as good as a guy going 1 for 1 in the finals


why the f*ck do you think jordan is so untouchable with 6 for 6


people always bring up his undefeated finals resume


its one of the major factors for putting him #1 all time in most peoples eyes



anyone trying to defend a guy for having a losing finals record has absolutely no understanding or concept for nba historical rankings or common sense for that matter

Sometimes you going to the final even if the team was not great


It's like saying that it would have been better for LeBron to lose against the pistons in 2007, since he would have now a winning record in the finals

[kennethgriffin]

Jordan being 6 for 6 really isn't a factor for me when ranking him.

So if Tim Duncan wins and goes 5 for 6 will you admit he's better than 5 for 7 Kobe?

because if jordan was 6 for 10 and lost to malone a few times or lost to barkley or drexler it would improve his legacy?


you god d*MN sh*T for brains.. all jordan fans ever do is use his 6 for 6 in debates

its their 2nd biggest argument asside from the 6 finals mvps

people always rip on kobe and lebron saying theyel never be undefeated

magic johnson used it last year in the finals telecast half time shows during the lebron comparisons and said his 6 for 6 is the reason he wont be matched.


HOLY LLOOL i'm dying right now lol

anything to fit an agenda

[fpliii]

hire a coach that knows the triangle.

trade the draft pick to get a star player beside kobe now

sign the best available FA and pau gasol. split the cap down the middle for them both.

dump nashes contract to get more money to keep gasol

What do you think about Larry Brown?

http://tracking.si.com/2014/06/02/la...andidates-nba/

Also, how hard should we try to trade for Love or Rondo?

[kennethgriffin]

i'd give anything for kobe to be 5 for 5 in finals

if kobe never loses to detroit or boston.. his legacy jumps 10 fold


it would be a major argument over magic johnson


magic is 5 for 9

kobe is 5 for 5



that would be devastating .. and nobody could rip on kobe for 2004 anymore lol


these lebron fans lol... 2007,2011 and 2014 could haunt lebron forever... and if 2014 is anywhere near as embarrassing a performance. itel be even worse


2 for 5

llool

[kennethgriffin]

What do you think about Larry Brown?

http://tracking.si.com/2014/06/02/la...andidates-nba/

Also, how hard should we try to trade for Love or Rondo?

i'd trade the 7th pick for either guy

and larry brown sucks.. hes too oldschool. some players hate him

[LeBron 06]

Also, you can play great and lose

If LeBron or Duncan loses even if they have played great it not deserve to be considered as a failure

[fpliii]

i'd give anything for kobe to be 5 for 5 in finals

if kobe never loses to detroit or boston.. his legacy jumps 10 fold


it would be a major argument over magic johnson


magic is 5 for 9

kobe is 5 for 5



that would be devastating .. and nobody could rip on kobe for 2004 anymore lol


these lebron fans lol... 2007,2011 and 2014 could haunt lebron forever... and if 2014 is anywhere near as embarrassing a performance. itel be even worse


2 for 5

llool

I don't know if it matters all that much though, griff. Both teams are top 10 all-time defenses. Your star isn't going to put up big numbers against them, and they're gonna win more often than not. Sure, it'd be nice to have 5-5, but that would mean we'd get to the Finals less often. It's all about championships, but it ****ing sucks not being able to root for your team late in the season. No playoffs at all is worse than an early loss, fortunately we don't have many seasons like this.

[Ne 1]

Here's another one: rings won as the best player on their team. Duncan sits at 4, at least 3. LeBron sits on 2, could be 3. Kobe only has 2.

That would mean something if the "best player on the team was able to win without the "second best player on the team" but as we've seen aside from a few cases in the history of the league, this cannot be done. Also it's irrelevant especially for Kobe considering his production was better than or on par with some players rings won as the "best player on the team." The consensus back then was that Shaq was the best player in the league during the 3peat, but if you're going to use that to try to discredit Kobe, you have to take into account the consensus was that Kobe was the next best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Also, as dominant as prime Shaq was, any guard/swingman in the history of the league would have been the "second best player on the team." People are hypercritical about this too. Magic is considered to be a 5x champion, and many people rank him above Bird because he has 5 rings to Bird's 3, yet Magic was only clearly the "best player on the team" for 2 of his rings, yet nobody puts a qualifier on his rings. Heck, Kobe was actually much closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980, yet all 5 of Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count?" (2009 and 2010) Nobody seems to penalize Dr. J, Oscar or West even though they weren't the "best player" for their championships.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

because if jordan was 6 for 10 and lost to malone a few times or lost to barkley or drexler it would improve his legacy?


you god d*MN sh*T for brains.. all jordan fans ever do is use his 6 for 6 in debates

its their 2nd biggest argument asside from the 6 finals mvps

people always rip on kobe and lebron saying theyel never be undefeated

magic johnson used it last year in the finals telecast half time shows during the lebron comparisons and said his 6 for 6 is the reason he wont be matched.


HOLY LLOOL i'm dying right now lol

anything to fit an agenda

If Jordan were 6 for 10 (in the same amount of playoff runs) it would mean that he reached the finals 10/13 times which would be absurd and a plus in my book (and in any sane persons)

As far as "losing to Malone, Barkley, Drexler" how is that different than losing to Bird, Isiah, Shaq, Moncrief? Just because it's the finals? How absurd is that.

[DFish24]

That would mean something if the "best player on the team was able to win without the "second best player on the team" but as we've seen aside from a few cases in the history of the league, this cannot be done. Also it's irrelevant especially for Kobe considering his production was better than or on par with some players rings won as the "best player on the team." The consensus back then was that Shaq was the best player in the league during the 3peat, but if you're going to use that to try to discredit Kobe, you have to take into account The consensus was the Kobe was the next best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Also, as dominant as prime Shaq was, any guard/swingman in the history of the league would have been the "second best player on the team." People are hypercritical about this too. Magic is considered to be a 5x champion, and many people rank him above Bird because he has 5 rings to Bird's 3, yet Magic was only clearly the "best player on the team" for 2 of his rings, yet nobody puts a qualifier on his rings. Heck, Kobe was actually much closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980, yet all 5 of Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count?" (2009 and 2010) Nobody seems to penalize Dr. J, Oscar or West even though they weren't the "best player" for their championships.

[kennethgriffin]

I don't know if it matters all that much though, griff. Both teams are top 10 all-time defenses. Your star isn't going to put up big numbers against them, and they're gonna win more often than not. Sure, it'd be nice to have 5-5, but that would mean we'd get to the Finals less often. It's all about championships, but it ****ing sucks not being able to root for your team late in the season. No playoffs at all is worse than an early loss, fortunately we don't have many seasons like this.

as a fan of the lakers it hurt way more to see them lose in 2008 than it ever did seeing them lose in 2006 or 2007


and people never stop ripping on kobe for 2004

losing in the finals. especially when you're the favorite or have extra pressure to win is way more damaging on a legacy

people only remember the finals

its all the writers and critics rip on all offseason. its all the fans talk about

nobodies gonna be like "remember how george and the pacers couldnt make it past the heat and play sanantonio in the finals?"

no..

all people will remember is who lost in the finals..

and choking 2 in a row and retiring as the guy who came up short trying to match kobe for their generation is pretty bad

or

being known as the guy who lost to a 40 year old dinosaur and being 2 for 5 while the heat break up and getting blamed for it will totally destroy lebrons legacy

one guy might be moving up in the top 10.. who knows... thats up for debate.

but what isnt up for discussion is the fact that one of these 2 will be moving OUT of the top 10

[T_L_P]

That would mean something if the "best player on the team was able to win without the "second best player on the team" but as we've seen aside from a few cases in the history of the league, this cannot be done. Also it's irrelevant especially for Kobe considering his production was better than or on par with some players rings won as the "best player on the team." The consensus back then was that Shaq was the best player in the league during the 3peat, but if you're going to use that to try to discredit Kobe, you have to take into account The consensus was the Kobe was the next best player in the league starting around the 2001 playoffs. Also, as dominant as prime Shaq was, any guard/swingman in the history of the league would have been the "second best player on the team." People are hypercritical about this too. Magic is considered to be a 5x champion, and many people rank him above Bird because he has 5 rings to Bird's 3, yet Magic was only clearly the "best player on the team" for 2 of his rings, yet nobody puts a qualifier on his rings. Heck, Kobe was actually much closer to Shaq in 2001 and 2002 than Magic was to Kareem in 1980, yet all 5 of Magic's rings "count" but only 2 of Kobe's rings "count?" (2009 and 2010) Nobody seems to penalize Dr. J, Oscar or West even though they weren't the "best player" for their championships.

This guy just said the consensus was that Kobe was considered the second best player in the league from '01 on. Unless you simply meant he was the second best player in the '01 Playoffs?

Even the most blind Kobe enthusiasts know Kobe was not considered better than Duncan or Shaq in the early 2000s. Duncan was the 2002 MVP, 2003 MVP and Finals MVP, 2nd in MVP voting in 2004, 2005 Finals MVP. Kobe was better than Duncan in '01: that's it. There wasn't a single year after that where he was ahead of Duncan, and most people back then knew it.

[Cocaine80s]

typing in bold doesnt make your shitty posts any more accurate

[FPJ]

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in rings

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in finals

neither duncan or lebron can pass kobe in titles won with scrubs ( sasha/farmer/odumb/gasoft )

Neither Duncan or Lebron can pass Kobe in retarded stans.