Michael Jordan, The GOAT, never lost a playoff series when he had homecourt.

[Magic 32]

Bird = 7 (1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991)

Duncan = 6 (2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012)

Kareem = 5 (1973, 1974, 1977, 1981, 1986)

Shaq = 5 (1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2010)

Wilt = 5 (1961, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1973)

Oscar = 4 (1962, 1965, 1973, 1974)

Magic = 4 (1981, 1986, 1990, 1996)

Lebron = 3 (2009, 2010, 2011)

Hakeem = 2 (1985, 1987)

Kobe = 2 (2004, 2011)

Russell = 1 (1958)

MJ = 0

[Jlamb47]

Jordan > Lebron its not even a comparison yet

[f0und]

Jordan never won a playoff series without another all star

im pretty sure jordan won a couple of playoff series before pippen became an allstar

[ImKobe]

Jordan never won a playoff series without another all star

Scottie Pippen was not an all-star in the 87-88, 88-89, 90-91 season and especially the 97-98 season, when Jordan dragged his team to a three-peat in the Playoffs and took over Game 6 on the road against the Jazz while Pippen was struggling with his bad back...foh

[97 bulls]

Hmm this list tells me when these players had good enough teams to be considered favorites ... this is how they produced. Pretty staggering. I actually think this evens out the theory of quality teammates. Could this be a better gauge for GOAT bball player? I mean in some cases it isn't indicative of who the best player was on their team, or the amount they did for their respective teams. But it plays a part in judging.

I think this is the best way to make a distinction between players. This shows how well these players have done when put into what is essentially the same situation.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bird = 7 (1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991)

Duncan = 6 (2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012)

Kareem = 5 (1973, 1974, 1977, 1981, 1986)

Shaq = 5 (1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2010)

Wilt = 5 (1961, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1973)

Oscar = 4 (1962, 1965, 1973, 1974)

Magic = 4 (1981, 1986, 1990, 1996)

Lebron = 3 (2009, 2010, 2011)

Hakeem = 2 (1985, 1987)

Kobe = 2 (2004, 2011)

Russell = 1 (1958)

MJ = 0

Hmm this list tells me that when these players had good enough teams to be considered favorites ... this is how they produced. Pretty staggering. I actually think this evens out the theory of quality teammates. Could this be a better gauge for GOAT bball player? I mean in some cases it isn't indicative of who the best player was on their team, or the amount they did for their respective teams. Russell was usually like the 3rd or 4th best offensive player. Ben Wallace status. But it plays a part in judging. Kobe wasn't the best player on the 2004 team, etc.

[Roundball_Rock]

Scottie Pippen was not an all-star in the 87-88, 88-89, 90-91 season and especially the 97-98 season, when Jordan dragged his team to a three-peat in the Playoffs and took over Game 6 on the road against the Jazz while Pippen was struggling with his bad back...foh

Pippen, via his defensive dominance against the #1 Utah offense, led the Bulls to 3 of their 4 wins in the 98' Finals--but it was all Mike. GOAT.

Pippen was not an all-star in 1998 because he missed the first half of the season. In 1991 he was acknowledged to be an all-star caliber player who was snubbed--which is why he was the third player picked for the Dream Team in 1991 behind MJ and Magic. Jordan was putting up 37/5/5 and going 40-42 and getting swept in the first round before Pippen.

MJ=5 losing seasons.
LeBron=1 losing season straight out of high school with a team that won 17 games the prior season.

MJ=2 first round sweeps.
LeBron=0 first round sweeps.

MJ=3 first round losses.
LeBron=0 first round losses.

See how things can be spun in the other direction?

LeBron would never put up 37/5/5 and go 40-42. LeBron elevates his teammates, partly by not being a ball hog.

I think this is the best way to make a distinction between players. This shows how well these players have done when put into what is essentially the same situation.

Kobe, MJ were first round losers with scrubs. LeBron was in the Finals with scrubs...

[ImKobe]

Hmm this list tells me that when these players had good enough teams to be considered favorites ... this is how they produced. Pretty staggering. I actually think this evens out the theory of quality teammates. Could this be a better gauge for GOAT bball player? I mean in some cases it isn't indicative of who the best player was on their team, or the amount they did for their respective teams. Russell was usually like the 3rd or 4th best offensive player. Ben Wallace status. But it plays a part in judging. Kobe wasn't the best player on the 2004 team, etc.

Kobe definitely had a down year in 04, but it was because of the off-court issues and he was injured during the Finals, also didn't help that the entire Lakers team was shut down in the Finals.

[imdaman99]

I cancelled Cable because I did not wanna watch ESPN anymore. Their bran knobslobbin was ridiculous.

Saves me $160 on my bill every month as well

[LeBron 06]

Bird = 7 (1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991)

Duncan = 6 (2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012)

Kareem = 5 (1973, 1974, 1977, 1981, 1986)

Shaq = 5 (1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2010)

Wilt = 5 (1961, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1973)

Oscar = 4 (1962, 1965, 1973, 1974)

Magic = 4 (1981, 1986, 1990, 1996)

Lebron = 3 (2009, 2010, 2011)

Hakeem = 2 (1985, 1987)

Kobe = 2 (2004, 2011)

Russell = 1 (1958)

MJ = 0

He has several factor to be considered...As for Duncan in 2009, Ginobili was out for the playoffs, so the spurs had no chance to win


Sometimes you can lose also even if the player have dominated

[ImKobe]

Pippen, via his defensive dominance against the #1 Utah offense, led the Bulls to 3 of their 4 wins in the 98' Finals--but it was all Mike. GOAT.

Pippen was not an all-star in 1998 because he missed the first half of the season. In 1991 he was acknowledged to be an all-star caliber player who was snubbed--which is why he was the third player picked for the Dream Team in 1991 behind MJ and Magic. Jordan was putting up 37/5/5 and going 40-42 and getting swept in the first round before Pippen.

MJ=5 losing seasons.
LeBron=1 losing season straight out of high school with a team that won 17 games the prior season.

MJ=2 first round sweeps.
LeBron=0 first round sweeps.

MJ=3 first round losses.
LeBron=0 first round losses.

See how things can be spun in the other direction?

LeBron would never put up 37/5/5 and go 40-42. LeBron elevates his teammates, partly by not being a ball hog.

Pippen was not an all-star in 98, period. That's what the criteria was. He was not an all-star. Pippen only had one great game in the Finals and played on limited minutes in the biggest game of the series and put up 16/7/5 on low efficiency for the series while Michael carried the team.

Pippen looked done in Game 6, Bulls lose that game and they're looking at a Game 7 on the road with Pippen potentially missing the game, Jordan elevates his game in the final minute and his last shot as a Chicago Bull is a game-winner on an NBA Finals stage.

MJ never lost with HCA, never allowed a Game 7 in the Finals and never folded in the biggest moment. Lebron is nowhere close to Michael. Would MJ put up 18 ppg in the Finals in his prime against midget Jason Terry and JJ Barea, would MJ put up 8 points in a Finals game?

Go watch some tapes and come back at me, young blood.

[Legends66NBA7]

1958, Bill Russell got injured in the Finals. Missed the last 2 games.

[97 bulls]

Pippen, via his defensive dominance against the #1 Utah offense, led the Bulls to 3 of their 4 wins in the 98' Finals--but it was all Mike. GOAT.

Pippen was not an all-star in 1998 because he missed the first half of the season. In 1991 he was acknowledged to be an all-star caliber player who was snubbed--which is why he was the third player picked for the Dream Team in 1991 behind MJ and Magic. Jordan was putting up 37/5/5 and going 40-42 and getting swept in the first round before Pippen.

MJ=5 losing seasons.
LeBron=1 losing season straight out of high school with a team that won 17 games the prior season.

MJ=2 first round sweeps.
LeBron=0 first round sweeps.

MJ=3 first round losses.
LeBron=0 first round losses.

See how things can be spun in the other direction?

LeBron would never put up 37/5/5 and go 40-42. LeBron elevates his teammates, partly by not being a ball hog.



Kobe, MJ were first round losers with scrubs. LeBron was in the Finals with scrubs...

I agree with your point about Pippen, but since when do we compare circle an argument around first round accomplishments?

[Roundball_Rock]

Pippen was not an all-star in 98, period. That's what the criteria was. He was not an all-star.

MJ stans resorting to semantics now.

Pippen only had one great game in the Finals

Obviously you did not watch the 98' Finals. Which "one game" was that btw?

Pippen looked done in Game 6, Bulls lose that game and they're looking at a Game 7 with Pippen potentially missing the game, Jordan elevates his game in the final minute and his last shot as a Chicago Bull is a game-winner on an NBA Finals stage.

And? Using that logic Magic "carried" Kareem to the 1980 championship.

MJ never lost with HCA, never allowed a Game 7 in the Finals and never folded in the biggest moment.

Clear GOAT!

It was MJ who hit that 3 in 1993 to prevent a Game 6 in Phoenix. It was MJ who, along with 4 reserve players, led the Bulls back from being down 17 to prevent a Game 7 in 1992. It was MJ who sealed the 97' Finals in Game 6 with a shot and it was MJ who got the final steal. MJ's power of mind and body control make him the clear GOAT!

Would MJ put up 18 ppg in the Finals in his prime against midget Jason Terry and JJ Barea

Plenty of great players have put up 18 ppg or so in the Finals. Magic Johnson, for one. MJ would never score 8 points because he insisted on taking 20, 25, 30 shots every night even when his shot was off. Remember when MJ shot 17% with the Bulls down 2-0 in the 93' ECF--yet still took 18 shots?

[97 bulls]

Pippen was not an all-star in 98, period. That's what the criteria was. He was not an all-star. Pippen only had one great game in the Finals and played on limited minutes in the biggest game of the series and put up 16/7/5 on low efficiency for the series while Michael carried the team.

Pippen looked done in Game 6, Bulls lose that game and they're looking at a Game 7 on the road with Pippen potentially missing the game, Jordan elevates his game in the final minute and his last shot as a Chicago Bull is a game-winner on an NBA Finals stage.

MJ never lost with HCA, never allowed a Game 7 in the Finals and never folded in the biggest moment. Lebron is nowhere close to Michael. Would MJ put up 18 ppg in the Finals in his prime against midget Jason Terry and JJ Barea, would MJ put up 8 points in a Finals game?

Go watch some tapes and come back at me, young blood.

This flat out isnt true. Pippen was having a great series until he put up that game 5 stinker. He was playing well in game six before reinjuring his back.

What Jordan did was heroic, but no need to dismiss what Pippen did. I can produce multiple writers that believed Pippen was the front runner for finals MVP. Which off course shows how well he was playing.