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Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by PostUpFreak
Lebron will be the GOAT..its inevitable
I disagree with you, he will need a pretty insane resume for people to rank him above Jordan, Jordan was a killer, LeBron will be in the debate with KAJ, Magic, Russell etc by the time he is done imo.
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Great college starter
Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by Marlo_Stanfield
ultra giga stacked mega teams with the GOAT coach against super weak competition.
next
Aside from GOAT coach (which is retrospective) the same exact things are said about LeBron. Mind you I'm a Heat fan and not a LeBron stan but my point is that despite being on pace, LeBron has a lot of work to do.
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Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
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Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by GeeWiz
I disagree with you, he will need a pretty insane resume for people to rank him above Jordan, Jordan was a killer, LeBron will be in the debate with KAJ, Magic, Russell etc by the time he is done imo.
Those 2 are in the debate with MJ as far as i'm concerned.
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Consensus Top 20-30 AT
Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Let's wait two weeks but if LeBron has 3 rings, 4 MVP's at age 29 that is comparable to or superior to the resume of any player in history outside of Russell.
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NBA Legend
Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
Let's wait two weeks but if LeBron has 3 rings, 4 MVP's at age 29 that is comparable to or superior to the resume of any player in history outside of Russell.
Agreed.. I saw another poster claim that if Bron were to win a chip (assuming his production is that of the superstar standard), at 29, he would have accomplished more than anyone in history (at that age).
Would definitely have a case for GOAT peak.
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Consensus Top 20-30 AT
Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Agreed.. I saw another poster claim that if Bron were to win a chip (assuming his production is that of the superstar standard), at 29, he would have accomplished more than anyone in history (at that age).
Well, Russell wins the MVP's and rings combination comparison at age cut-off. Outside of him, though, that statement arguably is true. It would be (excluding the 60's):
LeBron 3 rings, 4 MVP's
MJ 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Magic 5 rings, 2 MVP's
Bird 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Kareem 1 ring, 5 MVP's
Shaq 2 rings, 1 MVP
So LeBron would be up there with the group in rings, outside of Magic, and would be behind only Kareem in MVP's.
While LeBron is at a torrid pace, it should be noted what those players did after age 29, which could be a cautionary tale:
MJ 3 rings, 2 MVP's
Magic 0 rings, 1 MVP
Bird 0 rings, 0 MVP's
Kareem 4 rings, 1 MVP
Shaq 2 rings, 0 MVP's
It is entirely possible that LeBron at 31 will have a better resume than MJ (remember, MJ did nothing to add to his legacy at ages 30 and 31)--but will run out of gas (as far as winning rings and MVP's goes) heading to the finish line and not match what MJ did from 32-35.
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Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
Well, Russell wins the MVP's and rings combination comparison at age cut-off. Outside of him, though, that statement arguably is true. It would be (excluding the 60's):
LeBron 3 rings, 4 MVP's
MJ 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Magic 5 rings, 2 MVP's
Bird 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Kareem 1 ring, 5 MVP's
Shaq 2 rings, 1 MVP
So LeBron would be up there with the group in rings, outside of Magic, and would be behind only Kareem in MVP's.
While LeBron is at a torrid pace, it should be noted what those players did after age 29, which could be a cautionary tale:
MJ 3 rings, 2 MVP's
Magic 0 rings, 1 MVP
Bird 0 rings, 0 MVP's
Kareem 4 rings, 1 MVP
Shaq 2 rings, 0 MVP's
It is entirely possible that LeBron at 31 will have a better resume than MJ (remember, MJ did nothing to add to his legacy at ages 30 and 31)--but will run out of gas (as far as winning rings and MVP's goes) heading to the finish line and not match what MJ did from 32-35.
He also had the biggest and most monumental choke job out of those guys. And a worse Finals performer than all but maybe Bird.
LeNumberTwoAlltimeAtBest(It's insane that idiots even look at that as bad)
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Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by RoundMoundOfReb
Those 2 are in the debate with MJ as far as i'm concerned.
But you must have never watched Jordan played.
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Mean Mug
Re: Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?
Originally Posted by JohnMax
If he made his teammates better like Steve Nash and Magic Johnson. I could see him being better than Jordan.
But he only helps catch and shoot players like Ray Allen. He made Wade and Bosh's stats worse.
Do you actually believe this garbage that you write?
First, LeBron did not turn Bosh into a spot up shooter, Spo and Bosh did.
Second, he didn't make their stats worse. Wade has had some of his better years playing with LeBron, and Bosh just got off two of his more efficient scoring years of his career.
You're confusing high volume with good stats, a common mistake for people that don't think before they spew.
Each of those guys had their own teams before, of course they aren't all going to get as high of volume numbers as they got on their own teams. That's just common sense.
When you combine the 3 you want LeBron taking the lead role, because he's the best player.
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