Why does everyone focus so much on Lebron being GOAT rather than 2nd GOAT?

[GeeWiz]

Lebron will be the GOAT..its inevitable

I disagree with you, he will need a pretty insane resume for people to rank him above Jordan, Jordan was a killer, LeBron will be in the debate with KAJ, Magic, Russell etc by the time he is done imo.

[GrapeApe]

ultra giga stacked mega teams with the GOAT coach against super weak competition.
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Aside from GOAT coach (which is retrospective) the same exact things are said about LeBron. Mind you I'm a Heat fan and not a LeBron stan but my point is that despite being on pace, LeBron has a lot of work to do.

[russwest0]

It's highly unlikely that Lebron can match and surpass MJ's career and end up the GOAT.

But on his current pace, Lebron is on his way to the undisputed second best player of all time.

But then how come no one ever talks about the possibility and likelihood that Lebron will be 2nd GOAT? Why does everyone either try to bash Lebron and talk about Lebron being the GOAT? Why is there no realistic middle ground?

It's also fitting that the King becomes the second best all time, as the GOAT is reserved for god (MJ).

No chance in hell Bran passes Kareem.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

I disagree with you, he will need a pretty insane resume for people to rank him above Jordan, Jordan was a killer, LeBron will be in the debate with KAJ, Magic, Russell etc by the time he is done imo.

Those 2 are in the debate with MJ as far as i'm concerned.

[Roundball_Rock]

Let's wait two weeks but if LeBron has 3 rings, 4 MVP's at age 29 that is comparable to or superior to the resume of any player in history outside of Russell.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Let's wait two weeks but if LeBron has 3 rings, 4 MVP's at age 29 that is comparable to or superior to the resume of any player in history outside of Russell.

Agreed.. I saw another poster claim that if Bron were to win a chip (assuming his production is that of the superstar standard), at 29, he would have accomplished more than anyone in history (at that age).

Would definitely have a case for GOAT peak.

[Roundball_Rock]

Agreed.. I saw another poster claim that if Bron were to win a chip (assuming his production is that of the superstar standard), at 29, he would have accomplished more than anyone in history (at that age).

Well, Russell wins the MVP's and rings combination comparison at age cut-off. Outside of him, though, that statement arguably is true. It would be (excluding the 60's):

LeBron 3 rings, 4 MVP's
MJ 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Magic 5 rings, 2 MVP's
Bird 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Kareem 1 ring, 5 MVP's
Shaq 2 rings, 1 MVP

So LeBron would be up there with the group in rings, outside of Magic, and would be behind only Kareem in MVP's.

While LeBron is at a torrid pace, it should be noted what those players did after age 29, which could be a cautionary tale:

MJ 3 rings, 2 MVP's
Magic 0 rings, 1 MVP
Bird 0 rings, 0 MVP's
Kareem 4 rings, 1 MVP
Shaq 2 rings, 0 MVP's

It is entirely possible that LeBron at 31 will have a better resume than MJ (remember, MJ did nothing to add to his legacy at ages 30 and 31)--but will run out of gas (as far as winning rings and MVP's goes) heading to the finish line and not match what MJ did from 32-35.

[Rocketswin2013]

Well, Russell wins the MVP's and rings combination comparison at age cut-off. Outside of him, though, that statement arguably is true. It would be (excluding the 60's):

LeBron 3 rings, 4 MVP's
MJ 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Magic 5 rings, 2 MVP's
Bird 3 rings, 3 MVP's
Kareem 1 ring, 5 MVP's
Shaq 2 rings, 1 MVP

So LeBron would be up there with the group in rings, outside of Magic, and would be behind only Kareem in MVP's.

While LeBron is at a torrid pace, it should be noted what those players did after age 29, which could be a cautionary tale:

MJ 3 rings, 2 MVP's
Magic 0 rings, 1 MVP
Bird 0 rings, 0 MVP's
Kareem 4 rings, 1 MVP
Shaq 2 rings, 0 MVP's

It is entirely possible that LeBron at 31 will have a better resume than MJ (remember, MJ did nothing to add to his legacy at ages 30 and 31)--but will run out of gas (as far as winning rings and MVP's goes) heading to the finish line and not match what MJ did from 32-35.

He also had the biggest and most monumental choke job out of those guys. And a worse Finals performer than all but maybe Bird.





LeNumberTwoAlltimeAtBest(It's insane that idiots even look at that as bad)

[GimmeThat]

Those 2 are in the debate with MJ as far as i'm concerned.

But you must have never watched Jordan played.

[Threethrows]

If he made his teammates better like Steve Nash and Magic Johnson. I could see him being better than Jordan.

But he only helps catch and shoot players like Ray Allen. He made Wade and Bosh's stats worse.

Do you actually believe this garbage that you write?

First, LeBron did not turn Bosh into a spot up shooter, Spo and Bosh did.

Second, he didn't make their stats worse. Wade has had some of his better years playing with LeBron, and Bosh just got off two of his more efficient scoring years of his career.

You're confusing high volume with good stats, a common mistake for people that don't think before they spew.

Each of those guys had their own teams before, of course they aren't all going to get as high of volume numbers as they got on their own teams. That's just common sense.

When you combine the 3 you want LeBron taking the lead role, because he's the best player.