[robert_shaww]

Debateable.

He's only getting $7 million this season. He took a massive paycut from where he is worth 12-13 million. MG and TD took huge paycuts and now it is paying off for them making the Finals again.

for me this back to back finals runs in 2013 and 2014 are more impressive than a ring. 37 and 38 years old...they are probably losing against miami, but doesnt matter.

[JUDGE WITNESS]

no question

[Rooster]

Not even close

James Worthy is not a top 50 player

And Ginobli is not better than him

Though I would love these type of players on my team

[deja vu]

No way. Amazing player but he's not even top 100 all time.

[MavsSuperFan]

It's a top 50 list of accomplished players. You don't penalize guys for playing in a different era. You rank them on what they did. And there's no way to know how good Mikan would be if he grew up in this era, but I'm guessing it's a bit better than Splitter.

It's a top 50 list of accomplished players.

i said that. Its not a 50 best players ever. its the 50 most accomplished players.

And there's no way to know how good Mikan would be if he grew up in this era, but I'm guessing it's a bit better than Splitter.

you serious bro, watch some clips online of him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xEoCsDKXPo

Can you at least admit, talent wise he is no where close to top 50 all time?

You don't penalize guys for playing in a different era

To me that like saying you dont take into account level of competition.

[Kblaze8855]

Welll this was the NBAs top 50 list in 96:


Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Nate Archibald
Paul Arizin
Charles Barkley
Rick Barry
Elgin Baylor
Dave Bing
Larry Bird
Wilt Chamberlain
Bob Cousy
Dave Cowens
Billy Cunningham
Dave DeBusschere
Clyde Drexler
Julius Erving
Patrick Ewing
Walt Frazier
George Gervin
Hal Greer
John Havlicek
Elvin Hayes
Magic Johnson
Sam Jones
Michael Jordan
Jerry Lucas
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Pete Maravich
Kevin McHale
George Mikan
Earl Monroe
Hakeem Olajuwon
Shaquille O'Neal
Robert Parish
Bob Pettit
Scottie Pippen
Willis Reed
Oscar Robertson
David Robinson
Bill Russell
Dolph Schayes
Bill Sharman
John Stockton
Isiah Thomas
Nate Thurmond
Wes Unseld
Bill Walton
Jerry West
Lenny Wilkens
James Worthy


Featuring many players ISH in general would rank behind Manu even though they dont know shit about them. Which I will put aside for now....

Lets say there are 20 such players....that list doesnt include:


Duncan
Kobe
Lebron
durant
Payton
Wade
Kidd
Ray Allen
Pierce
Iverson
Dennis Johnson
Kg
Dirk
Tmac
David thompson
Dwight
Melo
Mcadoo
Chris Paul
Zo
Tony Parker
Rodman
Steve Nash
Nique
Reggie
Webber
Bernard King



Thats an awful lot of people to pack into not many spots vacated by the pioneers......



Manu is pretty much Sam Jones(less accomplished due to Russell) or Joe Dumars. In that area.

No reason to put him over a gang of guys hed be considered worse than and HAS BEEN considered worse than in the same league.

Forget the historical talents like Thompson, Connie Hawkins, and so on.

There are scores of legends who earned a spot over Manu who barely even get mentioned.

Guys like Paul Westphal who were all NBA first team over a young Magic Johnson but if I make a Manu or Paul topic people who dont even remember him as the suns coach will laugh.

At some point I have to ask...if you are gonna dismiss the past so totally why does an all time ranking even matter?

If the people who came before us dont count of what note is being ranked number ___ all time?

We erased half of time to get you there....

[Milbuck]

if you are gonna dismiss the past so totally why does an all time ranking even matter?

If the people who came before us dont count of what note is being ranked number ___ all time?

This is a pretty strong point, and is my biggest problem with all-time rankings. The same exact people who go around completely discrediting guys like Bill Russell are the same guys comfortably putting him in their top 3 or 5, trolls excluded. People so desperately want to cling to the notion that 'modern is better'...but when it comes down to ranking them all, they'll throw all the old guys in there to avoid sounding like jackasses. The lack of consistency is pretty frustrating at times.

[bizil]

'Nique never had a team like the Spurs have had for over a decade. Never played with a big like Duncan. Makes a lot of difference, no?

Also, "Manu fills up the career achievements list?" Meaning what, exactly? Manu is a two-time All-Star, two-time All-NBA 3rd team pick and Sixth Man of the Year. Wilkins was a 9-time All-Star, 4-time All-NBA 2nd team pick, two-time All-NBA 3rd team pick and once made the All-NBA 1st team. Also made the All-Rookie 1st team out of college compared to Manu's All-Rookie 2nd team selection as a older rookie.

Manu has more rings through playing on much, much, MUCH better teams.

I agree! Nique was a legit superstar who was a top 10 player in the world for his era. Nique was also one of the league's top attractions for things like the All-Star Games, dunk contests, posters, and of course those great VHS NBA Superstar tapes back in the day. Nique also finished 2nd in MVP voting in 86 AHEAD of icons during The Golden Era like Magic, Kareem, Isiah, Moses, etc.