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National High School Star
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Kobe had a better record than CP3, Lebron while having a worse roster that year (remember, he only had Pau for 20 something games in the regular season and he led his team to the top of the Conference before the Pau trade)
KG was on a stacked roster
You can say that CP3 had prettier numbers, but he had a much better supporting cast(West > Pau, also had Chandler & Peja) and didn't do as much with his roster. Kobe was a better scorer, rebounder & a defender than CP3 in 08.
The MVP award proved to be legit in the post-season, CP3 lost in the 2nd round, a Game 7 played at his own house against the Spurs that Kobe dominated in the WCF(in 5 games) while Parker & Manu outplayed CP3 in their series..
I'm just passing on the facts of what many of the MVP voters were saying. The MVP is often decided much earlier in the year, just like D Rose. He was already given the MVP before the all star break, all the voters already said. I'm just reminding the folks of an ESPN segment were a few voters were on talking about MVP and they picked Kobe with their actual reason being "it wouldn't be right if he never won an MVP"
The OP is right, it's a life time achievement award according to many real voters (media). It doesn't mean he sucks, it's just how it happened.
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Banned
Re: Kobe's MVP
kobe got robbed in 09 and 06
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... on a leash
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ImKobe
27, not 28 and Kobe carried a bunch of scrubs to the Playoffs while putting up 35/5/5/2 for an entire season...
AI put up 33/5/7, where is his MVP Galore?
MJ averaged 35 before, didnt get the MVP because of Team Record... so you need to quit crying about 2006, just because KB doesn't have as many MVP Caliber seasons as a Mike, LeBron, etc. does..
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NBA Superstar
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by AnaheimLakers24
kobe got robbed in 09 and 06
06 shouldve been Dirks
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Dream Reality
Re: Kobe's MVP
Chris Paul was the MVP that year.
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... on a leash
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by BasedTom
Chris Paul was the MVP that year.
Paul with 21/4/12/3 on 49% and a 2nd all-defensive team to lead his team to a 56-26 Record and the 2nd Seed in a loaded West. Just one Game short of Kobe's 1 Seed Record, with David West as sidekick, while Kobe had Pau Gasol as sidekick.
Like Simmons said, CP3 was still a better Leader than Kobe was, in his best leadership season.
Paul sure has a damn good case.
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Bran Fam Member
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
AI put up 33/5/7(wrong, 33/3/7), where is his MVP Galore?
MJ averaged 35 before, didnt get the MVP because of Team Record... so you need to quit crying about 2006, just because KB doesn't have as many MVP Caliber seasons as a Mike, LeBron, etc. does..
Kobe spent his best years on shit teams, MJ & Lebron spent their prime years on stacked rosters. Prime Kobe only had one all-star player in Pau (who was only an all-star once in the previous 7 seasons without Kobe) up until his decline...
AI had an inferior record and his efficiency was much worse, MJ put up those numbers in the Magic/Bird era. Do you honestly think that Steve Nash was a more valuable player than Kobe in 06? Nash won his purely because of team success and his inflated numbers due to the pace while he had Marion, Diaw, Bell...
Last edited by ImKobe; 05-07-2014 at 02:57 PM.
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Coach
Re: Kobe's MVP
2008 MVP:
1) Kobe
2) CP3
3) LeBron
4) KG
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Bran Fam Member
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
Paul with 21/4/12/3 on 49% and a 2nd all-defensive team to lead his team to a 56-26 Record and the 2nd Seed in a loaded West. Just one Game short of Kobe's 1 Seed Record, with David West as sidekick, while Kobe had Pau Gasol as sidekick.
Like Simmons said, CP3 was still a better Leader than Kobe was, in his best leadership season.
Paul sure has a damn good case.
CP3 had an all-star, David West, for the entire season, who put up 21 & 9 for the season while Kobe only had Pau - who wasn't an all-star, for 27 games and he was winning without Pau. CP3 also had Peja, Chandler, Kobe could only dream of players like that, he had Fisher, Walton, Odom, Radmanovic as starters...
CP3 had a much better team around him and he did less with it.
Last edited by ImKobe; 05-07-2014 at 02:59 PM.
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Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ArbitraryWater
AI put up 33/5/7, where is his MVP Galore?
MJ averaged 35 before, didnt get the MVP because of Team Record... so you need to quit crying about 2006, just because KB doesn't have as many MVP Caliber seasons as a Mike, LeBron, etc. does..
Honestly I wouldn't care if you died right now.....all your posts are pointless fvcking idiots go away
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... on a leash
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Kobe spent his best years on shit teams, MJ & Lebron spent their prime years on stacked rosters. Prime Kobe only had one all-star player in Pau (who was only an all-star once in the previous 7 seasons without Kobe) up until his decline...
AI had an inferior record and his efficiency was much worse, MJ put up those numbers in the Magic/Bird era. Do you honestly think that Steve Nash was a more valuable player than Kobe in 06? Nash won his purely because of team success and his inflated numbers due to the pace while he had Marion, Diaw, Bell...
Irrelevant. KB wasnt much of a better player than MJ when he averaged 35.
You mean his best years, as in 2 years, 2006&2007?
Also, AI just like Kobe shot 45%....... No worse efficiency.
Maybe you should check the Suns Team of 2004, basically the same roster that Nash made GREAT over the next couple of Years... To me the 2006 MVP could have only been Dirk.
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RIP P
Re: Kobe's MVP
CP met every criteria for an MVP and didn't get it. He had the:
Best combination of numbers and team success.
Significant team turnaround.
Best story - team returns to NO for the first time since Hurricane Katrina and has their best season in franchise history.
He didn't get robbed but he was the one most deserving of it. Now, players like Noah and Harden are ranked higher than him in votes smh lol.
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Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by ImKobe
Kobe spent his best years on shit teams, MJ & Lebron spent their prime years on stacked rosters. Prime Kobe only had one all-star player in Pau (who was only an all-star once in the previous 7 seasons without Kobe) up until his decline...
3 out of 17 years on a bad team. Poor guy
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Re: Kobe's MVP
Considering Kobe never was even close in leading the league in PER, Win Shares, RAPM, or any advanced stat, how can non-biased fans even make a case for Kobe ever being the most valuable in the league?
Chucking inefficient shots without passing the ball much, or playing much defense doesn't really speak to "Most Valuable" now does it?
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Bran Fam Member
Re: Kobe's MVP
Originally Posted by guy
3 out of 17 years on a bad team. Poor guy
Take 3 years out of anyone's prime (26-29) and see how it would affect their careers if they were stuck on horrible rosters with no chance of contending for a championship.
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