If Howard gets All-NBA first team over Noah...

[SHABBA]

[navy]

Then nothing. He has better stats.

[SHABBA]

Then nothing. He has better stats.

Is that all that matters?

[Jameerthefear]

Howard is better than Noah.

[navy]

Is that all that matters?

Better stats, better record, tougher conference, better player.

I dont care either way as long as Roy Hibbery is nowhere near the list.

[SHABBA]

I dont care either way as long as Roy Hibbery is nowhere near the list.

Noah, Howard and Big Al should be the All-NBA Cs in some order.

[Smoke117]

Better stats, better record, tougher conference, better player.

I dont care either way as long as Roy Hibbery is nowhere near the list.

Noah doesn't really have any claim to be first team all nba over Howard. Dwight has the better stats, a better record in a much tougher conference and it's debatable whether Noah is even better defensively. He leads the league in drating and defensive win shares, but the problem with that is that those stats aren't exclusively singular. Good defense starts with the COACH. Thibs has always had a strong foundation. You can build a good team defense overall even if the players you have aren't stellar. The defense's Dwight anchored in Orlando were not stocked full of defensive studs, but Stan is a defensive coach and made it so they could maximize Howard's impact even when not one other player could really be called more than an average defensive player at his BEST.

He was coming back from a back injury and dealing with that tear in his shoulder for most of the season with the Lakers and D'antoni basically had no concept of defense. NOW on the Rockets you could say its even worse as the guys that surround him are probably the worst defensive players he's ever played with and Mchale (who was a good defensive player in his days ironically) has showed no know how of how to run a defense nor hold any of his players accountable. Harden and Parson's who lead the team in minutes are the two worst offenders of all...but nobody actually does anything regularly that would be called good defense, but howard. That they are even ranked 13th in defensive rating is a miracle considering Howard is being given absolutely no help by his coach instilling a defensive to work around him or playing with players who bother putting up any effort most of the time.

Noah is having a great defensive season, but he's also playing for Thibodeau who knows how to maximize the effectiveness of a team defensively and knows how to run a defense. It doesn't hurt that the Bulls have a lot of players that are at their worst decent defenders and even an average defender can be made into a good one as far as the ENTIRETY of the team is concerned in a good system. Pace has a big reason why the Bulls are good too. Almost every good defensive team is always at the bottom end in pace. The bulls are 28th in pace this year...the Rockets are 5th and were 1 last year. You would think with adding Dwight you want want to slow it down more and allow him to be the defensive force he can be, but that's a lot harder when you are always running and gunning and taking long jump shots that make long rebounds and make it easy for the opposing team to get back on offense and get off a good shot. Dwight hasn't a coach the last two years that seems to know anything about how to run a competent team defense.

[YouGotServed]

lol @ this. Dwight is the best center in the NBA by far.

[ABfor3]

Better stats, better record, tougher conference, better player.

I dont care either way as long as Roy Hibbery is nowhere near the list.

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[selrahc]

take howard off the rockets and they would still have a great team and be competing for the playoffs in the west....

take noah off the bulls and they would be last in the league....

noah deserves it over howard

[Smook A.]

take howard off the rockets and they would still have a great team and be competing for the playoffs in the west....

take noah off the bulls and they would be last in the league....

noah deserves it over howard

Rockets wouldn't get in the playoffs if they were the same team from last year... lol

We won 45 games last year. Those many wins wouldn't get us in the playoffs. This year with Howard, the Rockets are 54-27 with 1 game left.

[Ethem]

The Rockets have a better record than the Bulls, but Dwight has a much better team around him than Noah. Bulls lost a former MVP and their best scorer to injury, and then traded away a two time all star and their next best scorer. Yet they have still managed a very good record and a top 4 seed.

Harden is an amazing scorer, and whether it is fair or not, he gets the calls. Noah just isn't playing with anyone as good Harden (this year).

The Bull's offense runs through Noah at times, Dwight doesn't have the kind of importance to his team. Plus Howard has weaknesses that Noah doesn't have, like free horrible throw shooting. Noah also has better intangibles like attitude and energy.

[TMac&Luther]

The Rockets have a better record than the Bulls, but Dwight has a much better team around him than Noah. Bulls lost a former MVP and their best scorer to injury, and then traded away a two time all star and their next best scorer. Yet they have still managed a very good record and a top 4 seed.

Harden is an amazing scorer, and whether it is fair or not, he gets the calls. Noah just isn't playing with anyone as good Harden (this year).

The Bull's offense runs through Noah at times, Dwight doesn't have the kind of importance to his team. Plus Howard has weaknesses that Noah doesn't have, like free horrible throw shooting. Noah also has better intangibles like attitude and energy.

Not to get into the who deserves what award debate... but when the hell has attitude or energy been a problem in Houston?

[Rocketswin2013]

Noah doesn't really have any claim to be first team all nba over Howard. Dwight has the better stats, a better record in a much tougher conference and it's debatable whether Noah is even better defensively. He leads the league in drating and defensive win shares, but the problem with that is that those stats aren't exclusively singular. Good defense starts with the COACH. Thibs has always had a strong foundation. You can build a good team defense overall even if the players you have aren't stellar. The defense's Dwight anchored in Orlando were not stocked full of defensive studs, but Stan is a defensive coach and made it so they could maximize Howard's impact even when not one other player could really be called more than an average defensive player at his BEST.

He was coming back from a back injury and dealing with that tear in his shoulder for most of the season with the Lakers and D'antoni basically had no concept of defense. NOW on the Rockets you could say its even worse as the guys that surround him are probably the worst defensive players he's ever played with and Mchale (who was a good defensive player in his days ironically) has showed no know how of how to run a defense nor hold any of his players accountable. Harden and Parson's who lead the team in minutes are the two worst offenders of all...but nobody actually does anything regularly that would be called good defense, but howard. That they are even ranked 13th in defensive rating is a miracle considering Howard is being given absolutely no help by his coach instilling a defensive to work around him or playing with players who bother putting up any effort most of the time.

Noah is having a great defensive season, but he's also playing for Thibodeau who knows how to maximize the effectiveness of a team defensively and knows how to run a defense. It doesn't hurt that the Bulls have a lot of players that are at their worst decent defenders and even an average defender can be made into a good one as far as the ENTIRETY of the team is concerned in a good system. Pace has a big reason why the Bulls are good too. Almost every good defensive team is always at the bottom end in pace. The bulls are 28th in pace this year...the Rockets are 5th and were 1 last year. You would think with adding Dwight you want want to slow it down more and allow him to be the defensive force he can be, but that's a lot harder when you are always running and gunning and taking long jump shots that make long rebounds and make it easy for the opposing team to get back on offense and get off a good shot. Dwight hasn't a coach the last two years that seems to know anything about how to run a competent team defense.

Couldn't have said it better myself. One of the best comments I've ever seen on this site.

[Kingsfans818]

Big Al needs some recognition here 22/11 is no joke

This bobcats team isn't exactly stacked either

Josh mcroberts starts at PF