"what we're whitnessing from durant hasnt been done in 20+ years"- ESPN

[christian1923]

Honestly dude, they're not as godly as you think. Players in basketball and football have put up eye-popping regular season numbers that matter little. From Melo, to Tmac, to Iverson, to Kobe, to Kevin Love, to Wilt, and even Peyton Manning in football. If you're talking about selective stats over a single month, hell Monta Ellis has some impressive ones. Teams like the Suns and Warriors. Some of them have had good playoff moments... but 'volume stats' guys tend to look a lot less DOMINANT when postseason time arrives. As opposed to true beasts like Shaq, Lebron, Duncan etc.

Kobe could have put up those exact same 'godly' numbers for the Charlotte Bobcats and never been part of a single championship title team. How much would your respect him then? Your perception of him has more to do with the franchise he was lucky enough to play for rather than anything his numbers tell you. If he'd gotten them playing for an organization that was never able to build COMPLETE championship teams, you'd call Kobe's stats empty. Instead you called them godly. Due mostly to sheer luck.

Great teams win championships, but people love to hero-worship, so they pick the guy with the best stats and claim it was his stats that earned "the ring." Meanwhile anyone with the same stats but lesser teammates is "empty."

I don't care if you wanna say Kobe's a good player. Of course he is. But most people want to START with the premise Kobe is some sort of legendary giant, because thats what they WANT to believe, then they come up with inconsistent logic as to why it's so.

What's your point?

Kobe plays for the lakers not the bobcats. Your wasting your time typing all that, really saying a whole lot of nothing. Kobe puts up great stats in the regular season and the playoffs won 5 titles, and was lucky enough to be a laker. Nothing else matters and it is what it is. He's going down as a top 5 player.

Your thinking with to many what if's.

Shaq Lebron and Duncan all played for great teams too.

[ImKobe]

[Nevaeh]

Some of the stats are skewed by the fact Durant gets to the line more than Kobe, so Kobe takes more shots to score the same. Still though, it's a credit to Durant's ability to score no matter what. Free throws are a form of scoring too

Bu bu bu..........I thought that "TS!!!" % was a stat created to take that into consideration? Well, doesn't really matter anyway. Durant still whooped Kobe's ass in this category too.



See how all of those Durant "Praise threads" can backfire on you, youngters?

[BlazerRed]

2003/february = 40.6ppg, 4.9rpg, 3.6apg, .583 TS% 117 ORTG 104 DRTG
2006/january = 43.4ppg, 5.6rpg, 4.1apg, .611 TS% 122 ORTG, 109 DRTG
2006/april (only 8 games) = 41.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.6apg, .621 TS% 125 ORTG 102 DRTG
2007/march = 40.4ppg, 6.2rpg, 4.5apg, .575 TS% 117 ORTG 114 DRTG

KD January 36.5ppg, 6.4rpg, 6.2apg, .673 TS% 130 ORTG 104 DRTG

Dayum KD on Kobe's level with the whole prime of his career ahead of him

[ProfessorMurder]

the f*** are you talkin about

feb 2003 was 1st - 28th = 14 games



jan 2006 was 6th - 31st = 13 games
december 28th to january 31st he averaged 43.5ppg
december 20th to january 31st he averaged 42.2ppg
december 12th to january 31st he averaged 40.7ppg ( 22 game stretch )

it wasnt a few games idiot

So not only do Kobetards not know what a decade is, they also don't know when months start and end.

[secund2nun]

What's your point?

Kobe plays for the lakers not the bobcats. Your wasting your time typing all that, really saying a whole lot of nothing. Kobe puts up great stats in the regular season and the playoffs won 5 titles, and was lucky enough to be a laker. Nothing else matters and it is what it is. He's going down as a top 5 player.

Your thinking with to many what if's.

Shaq Lebron and Duncan all played for great teams too.

Kobe without a great cast= 3 seasons in his prime 0 playoff series victories, 2 7th seeds, and 1 missed playoffs. Enough said.

Also players like Shaq Lebron Duncan have dominated in the playoffs and finals like Kobe can only dream of. Kobe has never had a great nba finals in his 7 appearances and his overall level of play in the playoffs, regular season is clearly lower than actual all time greats.

[kennethgriffin]

Dayum KD on Kobe's level with the whole prime of his career ahead of him

kobe was on that skill level from 2003 - 2010 and in 2003 kobe was only 24 years old

so kd isnt exactly ahead of the pace... he did have a better first few years though

[Micku]

There's a difference between efficient, and Durant this month

This pretty much. There is efficient and then there is Durant this month. At least when averaging 30+ points anyway.

LeBron kind'a did something similar last year if you round the ppg up to 30, but it wasn't 30+. On the month of February 2013, he averaged 29.7 ppg, 64.1% FG and 72.7% TS.

I think the only person I can think of that could touch this level of efficiency while scoring 30+ points is Adrian Dantley. In December of 1984 he averaged 31 ppg on 17 FGA. 59.3% FG and 67.7% TS.

It's great and it's a pleasure to see Durant and LeBron play at high level. I think ppl are a bit spoiled with this level of play with these players.

[kennethgriffin]

So not only do Kobetards not know what a decade is, they also don't know when months start and end.

well the original stats were exactly what i said they were...


nowhere did i say "month" or "30-31 days.. it says the name of different months hes averaged 40+ ( meaning the 1st game of the month to the last game of the month )

then replied to a guy suggesting that there was only 7-8 games in those months. to which i replied by proving that infact there was 13-14 games.. and kobes 40+ average extended up to 20+ games and over a month and a half

[tpols]

Honestly dude, they're not as godly as you think. Players in basketball and football have put up eye-popping regular season numbers that matter little. From Melo, to Tmac, to Iverson, to Kobe, to Kevin Love, to Wilt, and even Peyton Manning in football. If you're talking about selective stats over a single month, hell Monta Ellis has some impressive ones. Teams like the Suns and Warriors. Some of them have had good playoff moments... but 'volume stats' guys tend to look a lot less DOMINANT when postseason time arrives. As opposed to true beasts like Shaq, Lebron, Duncan etc.
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Tim Duncan- 20/11 to 20/12

Lebron James- 28/7/7 to 28/8/7

Kobe Bryant- 26/5/5 to 26/5/5


They all have very similar regular season and playoff stats.. Lebron's FG actually decreases by twice as much regular season to playoffs as Kobe does.

But somehow they goin beastmode in the playoffs... smh. Funny thing is Lebron's FG goes from 58% regular season to 49% first three rounds to 43% in the Finals.. he does the opposite of what youre saying

[kennethgriffin]

This pretty much. There is efficient and then there is Durant this month. At least when averaging 30+ points anyway.

LeBron kind'a did something similar last year if you round the ppg up to 30, but it wasn't 30+. On the month of February 2013, he averaged 29.7 ppg, 64.1% FG and 72.7% TS.

I think the only person I can think of that could touch this level of efficiency while scoring 30+ points is Adrian Dantley. In December of 1984 he averaged 31 ppg on 17 FGA. 59.3% FG and 67.7% TS.

It's great and it's a pleasure to see Durant and LeBron play at high level. I think ppl are a bit spoiled with this level of play with these players.

durants TS% is 5-6 points above kobes..

well say instead of averaging 36ppg durant averages 42-43ppg... whos to say durants TS% doesnt drop to 61-62%


its insanely hard to sustain a 42+ppg average and shoot the same percentage you would averaging way less points

[oh the horror]

How many rings did Kobe win during the years the OP posted?

Thought so.

Oh I remember, Kobe was choking away back-to-back playoffs series against the Suns.

KD at least has his team in first place. And post real FG% so we can compare it to Durant.

So you and some trolls asked for stats. You were attempting to talk shit because you figured Kobe's stretch was on poor percentages.


They were not. Great percentages as well.


The point of the thread is ESPN fully fabricates and exaggerates anything and everything to prop up particular stars whenever as a new flavor of the year.



So when proven wrong you're now going to this argument? Lol.



Some of you fools here need to stop and just admit when you're wrong instead of jumping around into random other shit that has nothing to do with anything In the conversation.

[christian1923]

Kobe without a great cast= 3 seasons in his prime 0 playoff series victories, 2 7th seeds, and 1 missed playoffs. Enough said.

Also players like Shaq Lebron Duncan have dominated in the playoffs and finals like Kobe can only dream of. Kobe has never had a great nba finals in his 7 appearances and his overall level of play in the playoffs, regular season is clearly lower than actual all time greats.

what was he suppose to do in the west with guys like smush, odom, mihm, and Sasha. And that Asian kid lol

Idk the stats off the top of my head but I know kobe beasted in the 01, 02, 09 and the 10 finals. Maybe he shooting percentages weren't great but he got the W's. What matters most in the end.

[wally_world]

The numbers and efficiency is one thing. Winning is another. KD is doing all this while winning, which is what makes this run so impressive.

[BlazerRed]

kobe was on that skill level from 2003 - 2010 and in 2003 kobe was only 24 years old

so kd isnt exactly ahead of the pace... he did have a better first few years though

I'm not saying he's ahead of pace as a player, I love Kobe, but just goes to show how good KD is/can be.