Inconvenient truth: 2005-2007 Lakers...7th seeds twice, missed once

[Droid101]

He was out 30 games in 2005, so throw that season out.

The next two he faced the best offensive teams of all time... and almost beat them once!

I'd say it was a pretty damn good performance for a one-man team.

[retaxis]

Didn't Einstein say something like retarded/mad people are mad when they do the same thing all the time but expect different results each time? Why are all you retards spending every minute of your life arguing on the internet about the same sh1t thinking its going to change your life considering your arguing about something which has absolutely nothing to do with you at all. Its sports, not work, not even politics, its leisure/interest. So you can 'skull ****' that into your head and realise what a waste of life you are.

[longtime lurker]

Inconvenient truth. OP's parents are first cousins.

[daily]

He was out 30 games in 2005, so throw that season out.

Not only was Kobe out games but Odom missed some too and to top it off RudyT the head coach had a melt down and had to resign.

Anybody trying to use that season to further their anti Kobe agenda is a total moron

[PJR]

He was out 30 games in 2005

He missed 16 games in 2005. Played in 66. The Lakers went 28-38 in those 66 games.

[Heavincent]

Kind of funny how Kobe detractors use a 3 year window to discredit his entire 17 year career. The best part is that he was the best player in the league for 2 out of those 3 years

[SilkkTheShocker]

Kind of funny how Kobe detractors use a 3 year window to discredit his entire 17 year career. The best part is that he was the best player in the league for 2 out of those 3 years

He was never the best player in the league.

[rhythmic]

He missed 16 games in 2005. Played in 66. The Lakers went 28-38 in those 66 games.

Hey moron, LA lost 11 of 12 to finish the year without Odom and Kobe playing INJURED.

LA went 28-30 that season with Kobe healthy. Kobe played about a month INJURED to finish the year because Lamar was done for the year.

Go do some damn research before talking out of your ass.
LA went 1-11 to finish the year with an injured Kobe & Lamar out of the lineup.

They were in the playoff picture with Kobe, Lamar & Rudy T.

[secund2nun]

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[secund2nun]

Not only was Kobe out games but Odom missed some too and to top it off RudyT the head coach had a melt down and had to resign.

Anybody trying to use that season to further their anti Kobe agenda is a total moron

Had Kobe been healthy that season would have been a 7th seed most likely just like the next 2 seasons.

[rhythmic]

Really? Talking about selective memory yet you yourself have selective memory. I seem to recall that Amare was out for the entire series against LA when it went to 7.

The next year LA faced PHX with Amare and they were easily defeated in 5 games.

Phoenix were a 2nd seed team with Amare playing only 3 games in the regular season that year. They were 54-28, averaging 109 PPG and were 1st in the league in offensive rating (without Amare).

So I say again, what the **** are you on about?
Hint: They were STILL a very prolific team.

[secund2nun]

Kind of funny how Kobe detractors use a 3 year window to discredit his entire 17 year career. The best part is that he was the best player in the league for 2 out of those 3 years

He was never the best player in the league. Those 3 years featured prime Kobe and showed him for what he was. It exposed him. Replace Kobe with Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc and that team is a top seeded team that would advanced past the first round every season.

Also on his title teams they were led by the elite front courts. At no point was Kobe actually the man carrying the team like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, Barkley etc.

Gasol was just as important as Kobe and just as dominant on those teams as Kobe despite efforts to try and rewrite history.

[HurricaneKid]

Lakers and Cavs record when they held their opponents under 100 points...

2004-05 = 27-7! (34 total) (Overall record 34-48)
2005-06 = 39-18 (57 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2006-07 = 23-12 (35 total) (Overall record 42-40)

Total Games = 126
Average games per season = 42
Winning percentage in those games = 71% (89-37)

Cavs 2007-10.

2006-07 = 45-20 (65 total) (Overall record 50-32)
2007-08 = 33-15 (48 total) (Overall record 45-37)
2008-09 = 57-7 (64 total) (Overall record 66-16)
2009-10 = 48-10 (58 total) (Overall record 61-21)

Total Games = 235
Average games per season = 59
Winning percentage in those games = 78%

In other words...give Kobe a great defensive team and the eastern conference, and you get the same amount of "succes".

Anyone that uses figures like this AND fails to incorporate PACE in them is clearly attempting to pull something off.

And sure enough, the three Lakers seasons in question they were in the top 14 teams (pace) in the league all 3 years and were actually #5 in 07. They avg ~92 possessions a game over these three years. Meanwhile, the Cavs were a far more plodding offense and were only in the top 24 teams in pace ONCE in the 4 years and never as high as the Lakers were in their slowest year.

The reason the Cav's "D" was so much better is that they played a much slower pace and had two fewer possessions/gm.

[IGOTGAME]

Anyone that uses figures like this AND fails to incorporate PACE in them is clearly attempting to pull something off.

And sure enough, the three Lakers seasons in question they were in the top 14 teams (pace) in the league all 3 years and were actually #5 in 07. They avg ~92 possessions a game over these three years. Meanwhile, the Cavs were a far more plodding offense and were only in the top 24 teams in pace ONCE in the 4 years and never as high as the Lakers were in their slowest year.

The reason the Cav's "D" was so much better is that they played a much slower pace and had two fewer possessions/gm.

Are you seriously trying to argue that the Lakers and Cavs were even close to peers in terms of defense...that is just silly. Lakers were one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

[Heavincent]

He was never the best player in the league. Those 3 years featured prime Kobe and showed him for what he was. It exposed him. Replace Kobe with Lebron, Shaq, Duncan etc and that team is a top seeded team that would advanced past the first round every season.

Also on his title teams they were led by the elite front courts. At no point was Kobe actually the man carrying the team like Shaq, Duncan, Lebron, KG, Barkley etc.

Gasol was just as important as Kobe and just as dominant on those teams as Kobe despite efforts to try and rewrite history.

Whatever. Ignore reality and create your own fantasy world.

Don't know why I even responded in the first place.