Inconvenient truth: 2005-2007 Lakers...7th seeds twice, missed once

[Magic 32]

That is the weakest argument I have ever heard. A real top 10 of all time player would impact his team so great that they would become a top team by their presence alone. Kobe cannot impact the game that way because he simply was not good enough to do that.

It was prime Kobe's failures that led to the no playoffs and back to back 7th seeds. He wasn't good enough- plain and simple.

As for 2007 Detriot, LOL Lebron carried them. To even argue otherwise is ridiculous. That series was one of the biggest "superstar carrying a team" series in years. That 2007 Cavs roster was awful.

2007 Detriot would have beaten an Amare-less Suns team. Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs. Also replace Kobe with Lebron and they don't lose in 5 to the healthy Suns. Lebron alone would have pushed that series to 6-7 games.

I supply facts, you supply opinions. You lose.

And no comments on the bad games by Lebron? no comments on the great games by his role players?

And of course no knowledge of the history of the Pistons franchise as well.

"Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs"

The 2007 Pistons were literally....like, literally....nothing compared to the 2004 Pistons. They substituted a legendary defense for a great offense, a decision made by a new head coach in Flip Saunders. A great offense that led them to a exceptional season, but a disappointing postseason (as they were the heavy favorites by the All Star break). If you watched basketball that year and in 2004, you would know that the team the Cavs beat in 2007 were a much different team in terms of dynamic than the 2004 Pistons the Lakers faced.

No wonder you love Lebron. You have no idea what you talkin about.

[rhythmic]

This thread is full of idiots. From second2nun to rythmic thesis.

Oh yeah? And if 7/11 added a new flavor of slurpees called "MJ's jizz" I bet you'd be their most regular customer.

[SamuraiSWISH]

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[DMAVS41]

Maybe you should read through the thread to get a better perspective of what was actually happening at the time..

You keep mentioning Caron butler as if he was on the team, he wasn't. He was traded before the season

People in that thread are hanging on the hope of Smush Parker, Kwame Brown and Von Wafer to step up and help them make the playoffs...

Moron. When someone says the 05 Lakers...it means the 05 Lakers...as in the 04-05 season.

I know perfectly well who was on the 05 Lakers. And there is no reason to think a healthy 05 Lakers team should miss the playoffs.

So STFU and learn to use your brain. You don't even know how to label a season.

[secund2nun]

I supply facts, you supply opinions. You lose.

And no comments on the bad games by Lebron? no comments on the great games by his role players?

And of course no knowledge of the history of the Pistons franchise as well.

"Their style of play actually translates into the playoffs"



No wonder you love Lebron. You have no idea what you talkin about.

Those "bad games" were still by far the best Cavs performances and that was with Lebron taking up triples. Next.

Great games by his role players? LOL

The 2007 Pistons were obviously not the 2004 Pistons, but the 2007 Pistons were certainly better than the Suns without Amare.

What is more impressive, 23 year old Lebron beating 2007 Detriot in 6 or prime Kobe losing to the Suns without Amare or prime Kobe losing to the healthy suns in 5? And Odom was way better than any Lebron Cav teammate.

[Magic 32]

Those "bad games" were still by far the best Cavs performances and that was with Lebron taking up triples. Next.

Great games by his role players? LOL

and that's not including Lebron's game 1 turkey.

10 pts 9 ast (5-15 FG)

The 2007 Pistons were obviously not the 2004 Pistons, but the 2007 Pistons were certainly better than the Suns without Amare.

What is more impressive, 23 year old Lebron beating 2007 Detriot in 6 or prime Kobe losing to the Suns without Amare or prime Kobe losing to the healthy suns in 5? And Odom was way better than any Lebron Cav teammate.

So, can you decide who you want to compare the Pistons with?. A 61 win team with Amare or a 53 win team without him. Looks to me you want it both ways.

[secund2nun]

and that's not including Lebron's game 1 turkey.

10 pts 9 ast (5-15 FG)



So, can you decide who you want to compare with the Pistons. A 61 win team with Amare or a 53 win team without him. Looks to me you want it both ways.

Lebron was taking triple teams because his teammates were so poor, leaving them wide open and even then that list you have is underwhelming. Aside from Gibson's one game and big Z's one game, there is not a great performance by any other teammate there are a few good ones. Overall they are very sparse, but it makes sense because none of his teammates were any good.

Averages for the 2007 Detriot series:


Boobie Gibson:

13.5 PPG, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 46% fg


Drew Gooden:

9 PPG, 5 RPG, 44% fg


Big Z:

13 PPG, 9 RPG, 50% fg


Sasha Pavlovic:

9 PPG, 3 RPG, 1.5 APG, 39% FG


Larry Hughes:

7 PPG, 3 RPG, 2 APG 34% FG


Anderson Varejao:

7.5 PPG, 6 RPG, 46%





Enough said. And yes you can compare performances against anyone. 23 year old Lebron was putting prime Kobe to shame.

[PickernRoller]

Triple teams by daring him to shoot .....

What's next? UFC?

[Vienceslav]

Enough said. And yes you can compare performances against anyone. 23 year old Lebron was putting prime Kobe to shame.

I know you are trolling and all, but don't go full retard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnDLP8xKE4
Roughly the same age as the 07 Cavs run.

[secund2nun]

Triple teams by daring him to shoot .....

What's next? UFC?

Double, triples. They swarmed Lebron when he had the ball.

No one can deny how poor his teammates were and how poorly they performed against Detriot.

[secund2nun]

I know you are trolling and all, but don't go full retard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjfxlvvXfSw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVnDLP8xKE4
Roughly the same age as the 07 Cavs run.

Don't go flat out delusional. Prime Shaq maybe the best player of all time and he was taking constant doubles in the paint leaving Kobe wide open- and even then as a whole Kobe's performance were nowhere near Shaq's. Lebron was carrying Cleveland. Shaq was carrying LA. Nice try.

When prime Kobe tries to carry a team= back to back 7th seed and a missed playoffs which is just sad even with a player like Odom helping him. Take Odom off of that team and replace him with Larry Hughes and that team may have not even made the playoffs.

Look at how well Odom did when the PHX series (no Amare) was taken to 7 games:

19 PPG, 11 RPG , 5 APG on 50% fg.

Even the following postseason when LA lost to healthy PHX in 5 Odom did well:

19.4 PPG, 13 RPG, 2 APG on 48% fg

[Magic 32]

Lebron was taking triple teams because his teammates were so poor, leaving them wide open

Poor teammates knocking down shots.

Aside from Gibson's one game and big Z's one game, there is not a great performance by any other teammate.

Gibson had as many 30+ games in one series as "prime Odom" had in two.

[Magic 32]

Don't go flat out delusional. Prime Shaq maybe the best player of all time and he was taking constant doubles in the paint leaving Kobe wide open- and even then as a whole Kobe's performance were nowhere near Shaq's. Lebron was carrying Cleveland. Shaq was carrying LA. Nice try.

Shaq almost didn't play in Kobe's 48/16 game.

[secund2nun]

The 2006-2007 game was 13-9 in games Odom did not play (0-2 with Odom in 2005-2006), so without Odom I actually believe they would have missed the playoffs

[secund2nun]

Gibson had as many 30+ games in one series as "prime Odom" had in two.

This defines Kobe trolls. Comparing Boobie Gibson, who is a worthless scrub, to prime Odom.

Boobie Gibson's statline of:
13.5 PPG, 2.8 rpg, 1.3 apg, 46% fg

Vs Lamar Odom's statlines of:
19 PPG, 11 RPG , 5 APG on 50% fg
AND
19.4 PPG, 13 RPG, 2 APG on 48% fg