Who Ya Got: Westbrook Or Healthy Rose

[Dionysus]

Rose. Just as athletic and skilled but he's a smarter player.

@ using Smart and Derrick Rose in the same sentence. This sentence is along the lines of:

Using Whoopi Goldberg and sexy in the same sentence.
Using Jason Collins and straight in the same sentence.
Using healthy and Rose in the same sentence.
Using championship and Knicks in the same sentence.
Using Raymond Felton and skinny in the same sentence.
Using Ty Lawson and tall in the same sentence.

You get the point.


Give me Westbrook if I have to select one from the short bus.

[K Xerxes]

Rose is basically Westbrook with higher bball IQ and more sound decision making, so I take Rose...

[SilkkTheShocker]

Id take westbrook because of his ability to be the yin to durants yang. he would do anything to win a game, even berate a scrub on his own team. he would play till his leg falls off, not sure you can say the same about rose. oh, a healthy rose? id still take westbrook cuz of that D.

His defense is good for a PG. But its really nothing special. The only PG that really plays nasty perimeter defense is Jrue Holiday.

[salwan]

Id still take Rose, but the gap is getting narrower.

Westbrook has made great strides in his development in the past 2 years.

[NumberSix]

If Rose is smart, who the fcuk isn't?

[Solefade]

Westbrook can do everything Rose can. You switch Rose and WB from their respective teams and WB would probably have the same production as Rose did. Plus he's a lot more durable it seems and plays better defense.

[Solefade]

His defense is good for a PG. But its really nothing special. The only PG that really plays nasty perimeter defense is Jrue Holiday.

Conley's pretty decent.

[tikay0]

LMAO @ people saying Westbrook is the better defender.

[COLOR="Pink"]Westbrook:[/COLOR]

Overall PPP: .90 (16)

Isolation PPP: .83 (17)

Opp FG Percentage: 42.3% (20)

Percent Scored: 41.7% (25)

Help Rating: -.07

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Rose:[/COLOR]

Overall PPP: .78 (1)

Isolation PPP: .64 (1)

Opp FG Percentage: 37.9% (2)

Percent Scored: 36.1% (2)

Help Rating: -.14

"Some will argue that it's because he's on such a great defensive team.

However there are several things inconsistent with that argument. First, he was the primary defender on 1,118 plays, that's more than all but three point guards in the NBA. That's not suggestive of the beneficiary of a lot of help defense.

Second, his defensive numbers are generally better than CJ Watson, Keith Bogans or Ronnie Brewer, the other guards on the Bulls. This is in spite of the fact that Rose often would cover the superior offensive threat defensively, particularly when the game was on the line."


"What happens when Derrick Rose plays through defense is that he's very good at fighting through picks, he is tremendous at coming out and challenging jump shots, and he is very hard to get around."

[tikay0]

seems and plays better defense.

keyword, SEEMS.

[nathanjizzle]

troll thread failed.

[SilkkTheShocker]

Conley's pretty decent.

True that. I forgot about Conley. Rondo can play tight also, but he kind of coasts a lot. I thought Brandon Knight would come in the league to be one of the better PG defenders but its not looking good so far

[SilkkTheShocker]

troll thread failed.

Not a troll thread, but the thread is almost on its 3rd page.

[Bigsmoke]

Derrick Rose

-better in the fast break
-finisher
-scorer
-passer
-much better handles

[tikay0]

Derrick Rose

-better in the fast break
-finisher
-scorer
-passer
-much better handles

better man to man defender, more disciplined, and doesn't gamble on defense.

Who else remember the series against the Spurs, and Westbrook left Parker wide open in the last few seconds of the game.

It completely exposed how little he understands opposing defenses. It truly exposed him that night.

[Solefade]

Rose is basically Westbrook with higher bball IQ and more sound decision making, so I take Rose...

I feel like this is a myth or at least not confirmed for sure. They're asked to do things differently on their own respective teams i.e. Westbrook is asked to push the ball a lot harder and be super aggressive so naturally he'll have more TOs. While Rose carries his team, he still plays within the boundaries Thibs system. Also Thibs shits on Brooks all day in terms of coaching.