Your All-Time Overrated Starting 5

[Kurosawa0]

PG: Allen Iverson
SG: Vince Carter
SF: John Havlicek
PF: Karl Malone
C: David Robinson

[miles berg]

Currently it's Blake Griffin, DeAndre Jordan, & Kevin Love.

[HurricaneKid]

Oscar won 1 playoff series in his career before he hopped on KAJ's back.

The year he avg the triple double he was 6th on his TEAM in reb/min. But he gets a ton of credit because he got to 10/gm. Makes no sense at all.

[Bigsmoke]

C - Moses Malone (Not a rim protector, black hole on offense)
PF - Karl Malone (Postseason choker)
SF - Julius Erving (Not as great as advertized by the media)
SG - Pete Maravich (Did this guy even reach the playoffs during his career?)
PG - Oscar Robertson (Triple double in an extremely fast paced era vs weak competition? Not impressed. No titles as the #1 man)
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i would love to have that team

[Marchesk]

i would love to have that team

Too many scorers. Wouldn't work.

[1987_Lakers]

i would love to have that team

Enjoy having a team that can't play defense.

[Twiens]

CP3 is without a doubt the most overrated at the moment

[Legends66NBA7]

Enjoy having a team that can't play defense.

Um, what ? Only Maravich is a guy who would suck on defense. The other 4 are more than capable or good defenders.

[Horatio33]

interesting.why many people consider cp3 overrated?he s a great leader,very good at PnR.He used to be explosive and athletic but isn t anymore due to injuries.great vision great leader ok shooter really good ballhander and really tough

His teams never win in the playoffs, and he has the ball in his hands too much. Never got past conference semi finals, and last two years had a really good team. For such a great player he doesn't inspire them to at least conference titles.

[Horatio33]

Vince Carter would be my 6th man. Numbers hide a lack of clutch and softness.

[Legends66NBA7]

Vince Carter would be my 6th man. Numbers hide a lack of clutch and softness.

No. Call him soft, a baby, no heart, etc... call him whatever you want. But he's not lacking anything in the clutch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4TZEw20uQM

He's also got the 2nd most game winners of all active players on a decent conversion rate too.

Old VC still getting it done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnSlXjyHQtM

[Owl]

The funny thing about Oscar is, how the fcuk did ONLY 1 guy average a triple double in an era that had 150+ possessions per game? You have guys now coming close with possessions in the 90s. LeBron would average like 39/17/13 with 150 possessions.

Because assists were a lot tighter. Despite the pace and Robertson's own performance (1960-1969 Oscar averaged 10.5 assists) only one other point guard broke 10 assists (Guy Rodgers, three times, though he had no other seasons with as many as 9 per game, averaged 8.3 a game over the same span).

So whilst rebounds might make the the triple double aspect of Oscar overblown, people ignore how vastly better than the competition he was I doubt the distance between the games best passer and the 2nd best was ever greater. Plus he did this whilst scoring around 30ppg and consistently finishing in the top 2 in the league in ts%, a remarkable combination for a guard.

Oscar's fan stock seems to be sliding badly. Pre-Jordan he was a very plausible candidate for GOAT, two books listed him as such in the early 90s, was named Player of the Century by the NABC (National Association of Basketball Coaches) and 2nd in the AP player of the century. Now most of the fans on here don't think he's top 10 all time.

[longhornfan1234]

PG: Oscar

SG: Drexler

SF: Worthy

PF: Malone

C: Kareem

[Owl]

Oscar won 1 playoff series in his career before he hopped on KAJ's back.

You can play this game with literally every great player that didn't have greats playing with them their entire career (a la Russell, Bird and Magic). What did Jabbar do without either of the top 2 pgs of all time? What did Chamberlain do without HOFers? What did Jordan do without Pippen? What did Kobe do without Shaq or Gasol/Bynum?

The year he avg the triple double he was 6th on his TEAM in reb/min. But he gets a ton of credit because he got to 10/gm. Makes no sense at all.

7th actually. But then you are including two non-rotation big men who combined for slightly over 1000 minutes for the season and a combo forward playing 300 minutes total. Eliminate those guys (tiny sample size) and you unveil that Oscar (the point guard) was outrebounded (by a fairly slender margin) per minute by the starting and backup center and the starting PF. That whilst scoring about a quarter of his team's total points and setting up a great many more (11.4 assists = at least 22.8 points, plus those passes which led fouls and free throws and probably a few more given that the definition of assists was tighter then than it is now).

So no 12.5 boards back then isn't what it would be now. But it was an awful lot for a guard carrying an otherwise mediocre team on his back, in terms of scoring and creating for others (and doing so efficiently), and rarely getting a break.

He collared 17.4% percent of total team boards. Not amazing by itself, not as strong as 12.5 suggests. But very strong indeed for a pg. Awesome for a pg doing everything else he had to do.

Here's the decades top rebounders who had a substantial playmaking role.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._by=trb_per_mp
A couple of years from Chamberlain and then guess who? One from a tall swingman with a much lower offensive burden, sandwiched between four seasons of Oscar.

It's not the same as 12.5 boards today. Not close to. It doesn't mean it's not very impressive.

[Myth]

C: Chamberlain/Jabbar/Russell
PF: Duncan
SF: Bird
SG: Jordan
PG: Magic

Real GOAT: Mitch Richmond