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    Default Re: Your All-Time Overrated Starting 5

    Quote Originally Posted by Odinn
    C: Bill Walton
    PF: Kevin Garnett
    SF: Kevin Durant
    SG: Kobe Bryant
    PG: Steve Nash
    That looks like a dominant starting 5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillC
    Minus Blake Griffin, you just selected the most perfect starting five imaginable.

    That's what you were trying to do, right...?
    Nah Russell and Duncan are both overrated. A perfect starting lineup?

    Hakeem
    Bird
    Kobe
    Jordan
    LeBron

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
    Nah Russell and Duncan are both overrated. A perfect starting lineup?

    Hakeem
    Bird
    Kobe
    Jordan
    LeBron
    How? Youd have four guys fighting to dominate the ball. And an underutilized dominat center. Streaky shooting. Besides Bird

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
    Nah Russell and Duncan are both overrated. A perfect starting lineup?

    Hakeem
    Bird
    Kobe
    Jordan
    LeBron
    '77 Walton
    '86 Bird
    '13 James
    '91 Jordan
    '87 Magic

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    Quote Originally Posted by WillC
    I dunno, how about revolutionise shot blocking and help-defense? One day you will grow up to realise that basketball isn't just about averaging lots of points. Russell turned the Celtics into a juggernaut. Yeah, he's totally overrated.
    What does Bill Russell do better than Joakim Noah?

    I want to know what specific aspect of basketball hes better at.

    In before "11 rings". The Celtics were a "juggernaut" because they had all of the top players in an 8 team league. Russell was still the best player on the team, but if you think this guy was as good as a Wilt/Kareem/Shaq/Duncan you need to sit the **** down and actually watch video of him.


    Quote Originally Posted by WillC
    So perhaps the greatest post-up guard of all-time (other than Oscar Robertson) couldn't 'play in the interior'? If you say so, chief.

    By the way, swap Jordan and Malone and you don't think the Jazz could win a few rings with Stockton, Jordan, Hornacek? Or swap Jordan and Kemp and you don't think a team of Payton, Jordan, Schrempf and Perkins wouldn't be a dynasty? Damn, son, you've embarrassed yourself again.
    The only ones Jordan can post up is OTHER guards. He isn't going to effect your rebounding or rim protection. If you havn't noticed guards arn't nearly as impactful as bigs. Jordan is the only player under 6'8 that people have in the top ten all-time and thats because he was the best scorer(30 PPG on 50% shooting).

    He can't battle for you inside against bigs like the centers, and he doesn't make anyone better like LeBron/Magic/Larry(these guys all had size as well).

    Good scorer, far from the anonymous GOAT. That makes him overrated.

    Quote Originally Posted by KG215
    You'll have to excuse TonyMontana. He's just a troll who has an agenda to push. No way he actually believes the nonsense he posts about Jordan and Russell.
    What is my agenda?

    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls
    I dont see how any if this makes Jordan overrated. I know hiw you feel about LeBron James. He had plenty if support on his way to his two titles. Its why he left Cleveland.

    I also dont see the point of constantly lying. Neither the Lakers or Pistons were old when they were beaten by the Bulls. Youve been shown this many times. Not to mention even if your point were true, LeBron James couldn't win his two titles until the Kobe led Lakers and Duncan Spurs aged. So whats the difference?
    See what I said to the guy above.

    Jordan is the only all-time great under 6'8(and Kobe isn't an all-time great, only retards think hes top ten.) He can't control the interior like a center, and he doesn't make anyone better like LeBron/Magic/Larry.

    The Lakers and the Pistons were indeed old. Lakers had no Kareem, and an injured Worthy while the Pistons once swept in 91, would not win a playoff series again until Ben Wallace was on the team 10+ years later.

    LeBron James is better than Jordan because he can do it all. He can cover for Miamis lack of a presence inside by playing some power forward and averaging 10+ RPG while guarding bigs. Or he can shut down point guards like Tony Parker while dishing out 10+ APG. Or he can score 30+. His versatality allows him to do it all for his team, even with a weak cast such as the Miami 12 and 13 teams.

    Wade didn't average 20 PPG for a single series this past year and had a 49 TS% which shows that not only can he not shoot threes, but he also NEVER gets to the line. He was a liability out there and the Heat played better with Ray Allen or Mike Miller. Bosh gets pushed around at any physicality. The Heat won a title with Birdman being their 2nd best player after LeBron.

    When Jordan didn't have Grant/Rodman in 95, he was anally creampied by Shaqs Magic. It wasn't until 96 where the Bulls absolutely DESTROYED them on the rebounds did they beat them. Was that due to Jordan? Na Rodman and the Magics Horace Grant got hurt in that series.

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    Default Re: Your All-Time Overrated Starting 5

    Quote Originally Posted by 97 bulls
    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiSWISH
    Nah Russell and Duncan are both overrated. A perfect starting lineup?

    Hakeem
    Bird
    Kobe
    Jordan
    LeBron
    How? Youd have four guys fighting to dominate the ball. And an underutilized dominat center. Streaky shooting. Besides Bird
    Most posters on the internet would make lousy GMs. They have no idea how to build an actual team. Not surprising due to how highly individualism is regarded.

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    When Jordan didn't have Grant/Rodman in 95, he was anally creampied by Shaqs Magic. It wasn't until 96 where the Bulls absolutely DESTROYED them on the rebounds did they beat them. Was that due to Jordan? Na Rodman and the Magics Horace Grant got hurt in that series.
    And what has James done without Bosh and Wade?





    Wade didn't average 20 PPG for a single series this past year and had a 49 TS% which shows that not only can he not shoot threes, but he also NEVER gets to the line. He was a liability out there and the Heat played better with Ray Allen or Mike Miller. Bosh gets pushed around at any physicality. The Heat won a title with Birdman being their 2nd best player after LeBron.
    Just Wades presence alone, as well as Boshes, forces teams to have to play them and thus take pressure off James. Why do you think he left Cleveland?

    LeBron James is better than Jordan because he can do it all. He can cover for Miamis lack of a presence inside by playing some power forward and averaging 10+ RPG while guarding bigs. Or he can shut down point guards like Tony Parker while dishing out 10+ APG. Or he can score 30+. His versatality allows him to do it all for his team, even with a weak cast such as the Miami 12 and 13 teams.*
    James is great as well as versitle. But real basketball fans know James has weaknesses. He has no post game, hes not effective off the ball, and this notiin that he defends bigs is a myth. And when he does defend PGs, he simply backs off them and gets alot of help from his team. Ive even sent you video to show this is a myth. You conveniently ignore it.


    Jordan is the only all-time great under 6'8(and Kobe isn't an all-time great, only retards think hes top ten.) He can't control the interior like a center, and he doesn't make anyone better like LeBron/Magic/Larry.
    Centers cant control the perimeter. Phil Jackson was asked who hed take between Shaq (prime Shaq mind you) and Jordan during the early 00s Lakers run, he chose Jordan because as he said youyou need a guard to get a center the ball.


    The Lakers and the Pistons were indeed old. Lakers had no Kareem, and an injured Worthy while the Pistons once swept in 91, would not win a playoff series again until Ben Wallace was on the team 10+ years later.*
    Even if your argument is true (it isnt), James didnt win anything until The Spurs and Lakers aged. Why the double standard? In fact, I cant even call it a double standard. Youre holding Jordan to a HIGHER standard. Whats more, is you penalize the Bulls for playing and beating injured teams. This years Heat more than benifited from their opposition suffering from injury. The same goes for last year.

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