Lettuce talk about Durant choking

[Deuce Bigalow]

Just out of interest, why did you lie about durant hitting a gamewinner at the end of game 1?

His shot gave them the lead and they never gave back the lead after it, so the shot won them the game.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe= Shaq's b*tch.

Spurs=Kobe's b*tch

You're a Spurs fan aren't you?

[tazb]

So let me get this straight, when Durant chokes it was "he was gassed, tired" but when LeBron chokes he's a "choker."

[Unbiased_one]

I meant relative to when Kobe was playing during those three peat years you dunce.

A facilitator like Lebron isn't needed with Shaq. You need a pure iso scorer, and some other players that can throw it down low to Shaq. Plain and simple. Lebron would cry himself to sleep every night, and secretly demand a trade, so his numbers could be on par with MJ's. Then realize that it's impossible, because he's a class A ******.

Are you seriously implying that if you have a dominant big man, you want someone to regularly go one on one with his man and try and score? No. If shaq is being doubled, then you spread the 4 guys out behind the 3 point line and give it to the open man. He then has an open 3. Clearly a passer (whoever it is) is better suited to this scheme than someone determined to take bad shots.

Also there is really no need to add in all the sort of 'tough talk'. If anything it detracts from whatever semblance of 'logic' there is in the rest of your post. (Maybe that's the point of it??).

[liquidrage]

So let me get this straight, when Durant chokes it was "he was gassed, tired" but when LeBron chokes he's a "choker."

Let me get this straight. One game is choking?

I swear ISH is run by Bill Simmons. It's not what have you done for me lately. It's "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN THE LAST ONE GAME CAUSE I'M GONNA MAKE ALL MY OPINIONS ABOUT YOU OFF OF THAT ONE GAME".

[secund2nun]

Spurs=Kobe's b*tch

You're a Spurs fan aren't you?

Really? The last time I checked in the 3 seasons Prime Kobe did not have the best front court in the NBA he could not even win a playoff series while the Spurs were tearing it up in that span including winning the 07 title.

Also Shaq was by far the best player on that team and took up the double teams leaving the others with less coverage- and even then Shaq dominated.

[Unbiased_one]

His shot gave them the lead and they never gave back the lead after it, so the shot won them the game.

So wait, when the heat went up with 2:00 left in the 2nd half of game 2 agains the bulls and stayed in the lead for the rest of the game, whoever hit that shot hit a gamewinner? What?

Also, the grizzlies had 3 fta at 93-90 in that game. A gamewinner should be independent of your opponents (mid court heaves/hail marys I wouldn't count)

[eSOL]

Dude who's ALT are you? Stop bum sniffing Lebron in a Durant thread.

Get back to servicing kobes shaft.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Really? The last time I checked in the 3 seasons Prime Kobe did not have the best front court in the NBA he could not even win a playoff series while the Spurs were tearing it up in that span including winning the 07 title.

Also Shaq was by far the best player on that team and took up the double teams leaving the others with less coverage- and even then Shaq dominated.

Don't deny it. And nice Shaq excuse, but it doesn't hold up because the 08 WCF happened

[tikay0]

Are you seriously implying that if you have a dominant big man, you want someone to regularly go one on one with his man and try and score? No If shaq is being double, then you spread the 4 guys out behing the 3 point line and give it to the open man. He then has an open 3. Clearly a passer (whoever it is) is better suited to this scheme than someone determined to take bad shots.

Also there is really no need to add in all the sort of 'tough talk'. If anything it detracts from whatever semblance of 'logic' there is in the rest of your post. (Maybe that's the point of it??).

You explained it yourself. You need a bunch of shooters to space the floor, and a iso player that can create for himself, and put pressure on the perimeter. You don't need a guy that holds onto the ball for long periods of time, and looks to hit the open man. You either a) dump it down to Shaq, and let him do work. b) Use Kobe to create his own shots, and put pressure on the perimeter defense, to open up the paint for Shaq.

Lebron doesn't have half of Kobe's iso skills to do that. His go to move was the travel/crab dribble to the bull doze to the ref assisted whistle on missed layup attempt. Shaq would be clogging the paint for that silliness, and he wasn't the mid range or long range threat that Kobe was at the time. He still isn't. He just has 9 million shooters, and superstars to keep the defense honest.

[Deuce Bigalow]

So wait, when the heat went up with 2:00 left in the 2nd half of game 2 agains the bulls and stayed in the lead for the rest of the game, whoever hit that shot hit a gamewinner? What?

Also, the grizzlies had 3 fta at 93-90 in that game. A gamewinner should be independent of your opponents (mid court heaves/hail marys I wouldn't count)

The Heat were not down or tied when whoever made a shot with 2 min left. The Thunder were down before Durant hit his shot. And then after that shot, the Thunder never lost the lead. What is so hard to understand about Durant's shot being a GW?

[Unbiased_one]

You explained it yourself. You need a bunch of shooters to space the floor, and a iso player that can create for himself, and put pressure on the perimeter. You don't need a guy that holds onto the ball for long periods of time, and looks to hit the open man. You either a) dump it down to Shaq, and let him do work. b) Use Kobe to create his own shots, and put pressure on the perimeter defense, to open up the paint for Shaq.

Lebron doesn't have half of Kobe's iso skills to do that. His go to move was the travel/crab dribble to the bull doze to the ref assisted whistle on missed layup attempt. Shaq would be clogging the paint for that silliness, and he wasn't the mid range or long range threat that Kobe was at the time. He still isn't. He just has 9 million shooters, and superstars to keep the defense honest.

A regular feature of shaq's game is that he is doubled. You don't need someone to create a shot as there is an open man. It really doesn't get any simpler. If you restrict shots to only open looks, lebron has shot better than kobe has at any time in his career from 10+ft in each of the last 3 seasons. You've been hoodwinked into thinking that lebron is not a mid range threat, when 49% of his made field goals this season were from over 10ft. His average made field goal this season was 11.3ft, longer than kobe (!) who came in at 9.9ft.

[Unbiased_one]

The Heat were not down or tied when whoever made a shot with 2 min left. The Thunder were down before Durant hit his shot. And then after that shot, the Thunder never lost the lead. What is so hard to understand about Durant's shot being a GW?

at some point, the heat took the lead and never relinquished it. You are arguing that someone hits a gamewinning shot in every game, which while technically true, is useless for evaluating clutchness, as almost every game a team takes a lead with several minutes left and holds on to it.

Consider the following scenario. The lakers and heat are playing each other, and it is 39-38 to the heat with 4:37 left in the 1st half. Dwight makes a dunk making it 40-39. From that point on, the lakers always lead. But then, with 20 seconds left in the 4th quarter, nash makes a shot to take it from 91-90 to 94-90, with the lakers winning 94-92 (say). In your scenario, dwight hit the gamewinner. How does that make sense?

[Deuce Bigalow]

at some point, the heat took the lead and never relinquished it. You are arguing that someone hits a gamewinning shot in every game, which while technically true, is useless for evaluating clutchness, as almost every game a team takes a lead with several minutes left and holds on to it.

Consider the following scenario. The lakers and heat are playing each other, and it is 39-38 to the heat with 4:37 left in the 1st half. Dwight makes a dunk making it 40-39. From that point on, the lakers always lead. But then, with 20 seconds left in the 4th quarter, nash makes a shot to take it from 91-90 to 94-90, with the lakers winning 94-92 (say). In your scenario, dwight hit the gamewinner. How does that make sense?

No no no

You must be either tied, down 1, down 2, or down 3.

0:17 Mike Conley lost ball turnover (Derek Fisher steals)
90-89
0:11
90-91 Kevin Durant makes 19-foot two point shot

[jlip]

WOW...Durant must obviously not be that much of a polarizing player at all (ala Kobe and Lebron.) After he went something like 3-11 in the second half and missed two crucial free throws with 39 seconds left in the game in a loss, even the thread about him "choking" is no longer about him.

BTW... All of these "choke" threads are basically meaningless, childish exercises in trolling anyways.