A Comparison of Kobe and LeBron's Careers Without Superstar Help

[longtime lurker]

LeBron James splits vs East/West



Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West



Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)



LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games

The Wests VERY BEST was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.

Yawn

Still waiting for the Lakers to be better without Kobe ........

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Kobe won 5 rings with just one all star/HOF teammate per title team.

He hasn't had two all star teammates in 15 years.

[Magic 32]

LeBron James splits vs East/West



Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West



Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)



LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games

The Wests VERY BEST was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.

We are talking about 05-07 for Kobe and 06-10 for Lebron.

YOU......I.....D......I.......O.......T.

[HoopsFanNumero1]

LeBron James splits vs East/West



Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West



Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)



LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games

The Wests VERY BEST was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.

[branslowski]

This makes sense because Gasol is definitely on Wades level, and Bosh could only dream of avg 18pts and 8reb...and Nvm that Big Z made an All-star game and has numbers close to Gasoft...

[ShaqAttack3234]

I'm not one to quote myself, but how does this qualify as superstar help?

It doesn't, especially since Gasol back then was very good, but at best, top 15-20 range as a player to that point in his better seasons. Even Gasol at his absolute best in 2009 and 2010 is a stretch to call a superstar.

[KingBeasley08]

TonyMontana doing work again

[jzek]

This makes sense because Gasol is definitely on Wades level, and Bosh could only dream of avg 18pts and 8reb...and Nvm that Big Z made an All-star game and has numbers close to Gasoft...

Gasol is considered a superstar when he joined Kobe and won a title. He was MEM's franchise player and one of the best international players at the time.

Nobody in LBJ's CLE days was considered a superstar. Big Z and Mo made one (or two) all-star appearances but they were never the franchise players like Gasol was in MEM.

[ripthekik]

LeBron James splits vs East/West



Kobe Bryant splits vs East/West



Both of these boys putting up HIGHER scoring on BETTER efficiency vs West teams as opposed to East teams. But wait we're not done yet.

LeBron James record vs West: 25-5(.833)
LeBron James record vs East: 41-11(.788)



LeBron with an even better winning percent vs the West?! This can't be with that stacked conference! But wait we're not done yet.

Beat Knicks in 5 games
Beat Pacers in 6 games
Beat Celtics in 7 games
Beat Thunder in 5 games

The Wests VERY BEST was good enough to take the Heat as far as their first round fodder oppenent did.

Now hurry up and make your post that consists of smileys and a one liner so everyone on the site can see how inept you are to argue basketball.

LMAO, and all the heat fans that agree with this post are IDIOTS.

This is the record with Miami this year no?
With the help of Wade and Bosh and a stacked team no?

Is that what this topic is discussing?

and all the heat fans... wow.. the stupidity hahahahah

[Robalvarez2010]

Kobe:

* 2004-2005 | 34 - 48 record = missed the playoffs
* 2005-2006 | 45 - 37 record = lost in the first round
* 2006-2007 | 42 - 40 record = lost in the first round (after this season, Kobe publicly demanded to be traded)


LeBron:

* 2003-2004 | 35 - 47 record = missed the playoffs
* 2004-2005 | 42 - 40 record = missed the playoffs
* 2005-2006 | 50 - 32 record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals
* 2006-2007 | 50 - 32 record = Lost NBA Finals
* 2007-2008 | 45 - 37 record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals
* 2008-2009 | 66 - 16 record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Finals
* 2009-2010 | 61 - 21 record = Lost NBA Eastern Conference Semifinals


Conclusion: Without superstar help (i.e., Shaq or Gasol+Bynum [aka Twin Towers]), Kobe's career is nothing compared to LeBron's (LBJ won multiple MVP awards, too). Not to mention Kobe had Phil Jackson as a coach for many many many years whereas LeBron had Mike Brown in CLE.

I honestly couldn't have written this better myself. Great post!

[ripthekik]

i still can't believe how dumb the heat fans are agreeing with this montana guy

the title of the thread is lebron and kobe careers without superstar help, then this guy goes and quote the records of lebron's team with wade and bosh, and in the playoffs last year



yo heat fans.. you all really dumb as rocks man

[Yao Ming's Foot]

Gasol is considered a superstar when he joined Kobe and won a title. He was MEM's franchise player and one of the best international players at the time.

Nobody in LBJ's CLE days was considered a superstar. Big Z and Mo made one (or two) all-star appearances but they were never the franchise players like Gasol was in MEM.

That's why he was on the trading block for years and had worn out his welcome in Memphis. If Gasol is a superstar, then so is Bosh and Wade AND Bosh > Gasol.

[KingBeasley08]

i still can't believe how dumb the heat fans are agreeing with this montana guy

the title of the thread is lebron and kobe careers without superstar help, then this guy goes and quote the records of lebron's team with wade and bosh, and in the playoffs last year



yo heat fans.. you all really dumb as rocks man

No, he just denounced that whole west > east crap

[ripthekik]

Damn, great post! I was about to type the same thing but thankfully hit 'Refresh' first and saw yours was better written!

Will rep when I can (I get "You have given out too much Reputation in the last 24 hours, try again later.").

ripthekik getting killed by some quality April 2013 posters these days.

Facts are Bean stans' worst enemies. Repped

TonyMontana doing work again

and all these guys above are all dumbass sheeps that can't even read the thread title

this guy gets it:

We are talking about 05-07 for Kobe and 06-10 for Lebron.

YOU......I.....D......I.......O.......T.

[Heavincent]

Kobe didn't have superstar help in 09 and 10