Ricky Rubio 0-10

[waseem780]

What happened to Rubio in Euroleague was that after a few years, teams started to realize that he can't shoot and he can't score. Not that he's bad at it, like some people bring up Kidd or Rondo and try to compare it that way....

but that he almost simply can't do it. He once in awhile has a good shooting game, and he is good at flopping to draw bail out calls from the refs. He's a solid free throw shooter, so he can score that way.

But his ability to actually finish his own shots................unbelievably bad. Probably the worst I've ever seen of anyone to play in Euroleague.

So once teams finally started to realize that, they made the logical adjustment on Rubio defensively and simply stopped guarding him. They just left him wide open the entire game and didn't even bother to put a man on him on defense.

They sagged way off and played 5 on 4 against the other 4 players on his team...........

Once teams in Euroleague figured that out, Rubio basically became a side show attraction with no substance. All his passing angles and his pick and roll play were completely taken away as soon as Euroleague teams did that.

And he just bricked shot after shot after shot after shot, being left wide open. To the point where he became such a huge liability to Barca, that he was not finishing games, barely playing the 4th quarter, and was even getting to the point of not even being allowed to run offense or pick and roll when he was in the game. Because he was such a freaking huge liability on offense.

The saving grace for Rubio in the NBA is that due to the psuedo or fake zone as they call it that the NBA uses, and the rules about being within a certain distance of your man, in the NBA you can't really apply that defense on Rubio.

So in the NBA, it works much better for him. But the same principle still applies. I said this here over and over and over. Rubio will do better in NBA because the rules suit him better (like the defensive 3 seconds and the no hand check - they help every point guard).......

But, I said it over and over, eventually NBA teams would catch on to just how awful a scorer and shooter Rubio is. And I said it, once that happens, they will just have his man stop trying to defend him so much and sag off.

It cuts his passing angles and lanes down. Leave the guy wide open, and it's almost like an automatic turnover if he shoots the ball.

You see last year, at the beginning of the year, NBA teams were playing Rubio all wrong. They had defenders up on him and trying to disrupt him. You can't play Rubio that way. You have to just leave him open and try to disrupt his passing lanes.

It took NBA teams a damn long time to figure that out, considering that EVERYONE in Europe already knew it, and NBA teams all claim to "scout all Euroleague games" (lie - they maybe watch 1-2 in a whole year)......

But at the point that NBA teams finally realized he just can't shoot or score at even the level of a good high school player, well, now the defenses are starting to play him the right way by giving him some space.

The teams will keep giving him more and more space, as much as the NBA defense rules allow, and Rubio will get less and less effective on offense as that happens.

Unless he can develop some type of scoring ability, he's a liability on offense, when teams defend him with the right tactics. And his "scoring outbursts" are always the same.

Just like they were in Europe. Once every now and then, he has a game where he hits some 3 point shots, or gets a ton of bail out free throws from friendly refs that are buying his flops.

He does not have the ability to score other than that for the most part. His defense (by NBA standards), passing, and ball handling are top notch. But damn, is his scoring ability horrid. It's not even at the level of an average NCAA D1 player.

If a guy like Kevin love or Nikola Pekovic can draw double teams maybe that can open up a whole new game for Rubio..just saying

[Levity]

What are the Wolves coaches going to do that Barca's coaches could not do? Or the Spanish national team systems? You do realize that Barca has WORLD class coaching standards right? Or that the Spanish national team has top level developmental training for players........you do realize that right?

You make it sound like he has never had even a half way decent shooting coach. That's just complete nonsense. He's had world class coaching levels for years in Spain and never improved his jumper.

Maybe it happens at some point........or maybe he's just not a good shooter and won't be.

This "he has not had a full summer to work with Wolves coaches" thing is just a nonsense excuse.

I have no doubt that hes had great shooting coaches in the past, but again, in my opinion, a conscious improvement in ones game comes with age and understanding. And the healthy off season with the wolves is in reference to how they want him to play with their team/ in the NBA. His shooting mechanics show he knows what hes doing with his upper body. but the lack of arc and lift on this shot tells us that he needs to use his legs more with it. That by itself is fixable/teachable, but like you said, his past doesnt lead us to believe he can improve on it. but him being a younger player, the room for growth is still there.

[Shepseskaf]

The lousy shooting was always Rubio's fatal weakness. Minny fans tried to say that his Euroleague woes wouldn't follow him across the pond -- but they did.

He's still a more productive player than I thought he'd be.

[Euroleague]

I have no doubt that hes had great shooting coaches in the past, but again, in my opinion, a conscious improvement in ones game comes with age and understanding. And the healthy off season with the wolves is in reference to how they want him to play with their team/ in the NBA. His shooting mechanics show he knows what hes doing with his upper body. but the lack of arc and lift on this shot tells us that he needs to use his legs more with it. That by itself is fixable/teachable, but like you said, his past doesnt lead us to believe he can improve on it. but him being a younger player, the room for growth is still there.

Even if the Minny coaches somehow could fix his shot.......you do realize that he's playing with the Spanish national team this summer right? I mean, how long could he possibly even have to work with Minny coaches in the summer? A few days?

Or is he going to work on it immediately after the season ends and actually work on it in Spring?

[IGOTGAME]

The lousy shooting was always Rubio's fatal weakness. Minny fans tried to say that his Euroleague woes wouldn't follow him across the pond -- but they did.

He's still a more productive player than I thought he'd be.

I think they said he'd be a good pg. They were right.

[Shepseskaf]

I think they said he'd be a good pg. They were right.

No, "they" said he would revolutionize the position and be a dominant, all-time type player.

He was being compared to Maravich, which was ridiculous on so many levels.

I don't recall many of his fanboys saying that he's only be "good" or "serviceable".

[B-Easy8]

As a guy who watches almost all of the Wolves games I can say that Rubio's impact is not reflected by the box scores.

He is the difference maker everytime we play. His is all over the court and provides so much for the team.

Aside from Pekovic, we don't have anyone else who can consistently finish. If we did maybe he would be taking some easier shots and getting more assists.

[Euroleague]

As a guy who watches almost all of the Wolves games I can say that Rubio's impact is not reflected by the box scores.

He is the difference maker everytime we play. His is all over the court and provides so much for the team.

Aside from Pekovic, we don't have anyone else who can consistently finish. If we did maybe he would be taking some easier shots and getting more assists.

"Difference maker" and "guy that does more than what shows up on the box score" that consistently plays for lotto teams so far.......

Yeah, and the "no one can finish" BS again. Stop trolling.

[Qwertyazerty]

"Difference maker" and "guy that does more than what shows up on the box score" that consistently plays for lotto teams so far... again. Stop trolling.

What's your point, former euroleague MVP (Andrei Kirilenko) has played more games and more MPG than him in the same lotto team...is he also a non impact player?


BTW, last season when Rubio got injured his team was 8th and this season when he started (after ACL) his team was already far away from that 8th seed. Do you expect him to win it all by himself in half a season coming out of 7month without playing?

[Euroleague]

What's your point, former euroleague MVP (Andrei Kirilenko) has played more games and more MPG than him in the same lotto team...is he also a non impact player?


BTW, last season when Rubio got injured his team was 8th and this season when he started (after ACL) his team was already far away from that 8th seed. Do you expect him to win it all by himself in half a season coming out of 7month without playing?

Kirilenko is almost as overrated as Rubio is. He's never been anything but a complimentary role player on offense. Same exact thing he was on CSKA.

"MVP" award was given because he was a guy with a big name from NBA. That's it. He was a just a complimentary role player in their offense too. With the same numbers he gets in NBA.

Both of them are overrated.

Oh wow.......they were the 8th seed at one point..."difference maker".

[Qwertyazerty]

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Oh wow.......they were the 8th seed at one point..."difference maker".

Knowing where they were the previous season yes, he and Adelman had great impact.

[DCL]

thought every player from europe who comes over here could shoot.

ricky rubio shatters that myth to pieces.

[Euroleague]

Knowing where they were the previous season yes, he and Adelman had great impact.

No. Just Adelman.

[MiseryCityTexas]

His terrible shooting was why his Euroleague team benched him.

[Dr.J4ever]

Ricky Rubio will be a top 5 PG in the NBA. He will never be a big scorer but he is a leader with charisma, flair, vision with the basketball, fundamental defense with steals, high assists, unselfishness, long arms, and he has enough athleticism to eventually be able to finish on his drives.

This thread is about his 0-10, but other nights he has put up 23,11, 5boards, and 3 steals. WTH do you call that? To me it's clear that he eventually will be able to be the PG of a championship level team averaging something like 12ppg,10apg,5rpg,3spg while anchoring the back court defense.

I was never fond of big scorers anyway playing PG. Being a Philly guy, I would much rather take the Maurice Cheeks type of PG. In 1983, Cheeks lead a great Sixer defense to become one of the great teams in NBA history.

BTW, we all should know better than to listen to Euroleague who thinks Spanoulis(2.7ppg in the NBA) is the best PG in the world.