1984 Larry Bird vs. 2012 LeBron James

[Money 23]

He didn't actually say that and shouldn't when you factor the difference in pace between both leagues and in case you didn't know, it was faster in 1984.

Well Mr ISH #1 LeBron Stan ... he didn't say that, correct. The small difference in pace and the according rebound correlation isn't enough for me to place Bron's run over it considering Bird took out Magic / Kareem's Lakers in the Finals.

[Pushxx]

He didn't actually say that and shouldn't when you factor the difference in pace between both leagues and in case you didn't know, it was faster in 1984.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1M--HaINA

[Harison]

Bird for me. Just by pure talent, mentality and impact. Not even speaking about Bird didnt even need refs protection like LBJ does.

[LeBird]

One led his team to the championship over arguably the greatest team of all time, the other beat a bunch a kids - albeit, very talented kids.

[NumberSix]

Stats are comparable, both had some good team mates around but this says it all



Plus Bird won mvp in a league with Magic, prime King, Moses, Kareem, Isiah, Erving, Dantley, Moncrief..

Also 1984 wasn't a lockout season and can't forget the tougher rules

Oh, you mean the tougher defensive rules in an era where nobody even played any defence? The same era that routinely had games in the 130's-140's in the finals?

[NumberSix]

Well Mr ISH #1 LeBron Stan ... he didn't say that, correct. The small difference in pace and the according rebound correlation isn't enough for me to place Bron's run over it considering Bird took out Magic / Kareem's Lakers in the Finals.

Uhhh, hello?

[Kovach]

He didn't actually say that and shouldn't when you factor the difference in pace between both leagues and in case you didn't know, it was faster in 1984.

Mind if we factor Parish and McHale as well?

[Nash]

Lebron has an edge in the stats but who's better defensively?

[SHAQisGOAT]

Oh, you mean the tougher defensive rules in an era where nobody even played any defence? The same era that routinely had games in the 130's-140's in the finals?

Or you can also go the other way around and say that they've played greater offense, that today nobody plays good offense nowadays

[SHAQisGOAT]

He didn't actually say that and shouldn't when you factor the difference in pace between both leagues and in case you didn't know, it was faster in 1984.

Don't get why people never look at this thing called TRB%, LeBron never came close to Bird and Larry played with better rebounders

Look at the numbers Bird posted as a 35 year old badly injured beat up player, Cs at the average pace of 95.8, without even being the main ball handler

Plus look at that vid posted above

[NumberSix]

Or you can also go the other way around and say that they've played greater offense, that today nobody plays good offense nowadays

Yeah, if they were shooting 70%, sure. They weren't. The offensive efficiency wasn't any better. Just more possessions due to nobody playing any defense.

[SHAQisGOAT]

Also Bird's defense value is underrated

Celtics were one of the worst defensive teams in the league, just one of worst teams period, then with Bird they posted the best record and became one of the best defensive teams in the league. That's with the same players from the year before, Bird played a big role as far as that

1st in DWS 4 times, 7 times in the top 10
Top 10 in DRtg 6 times
1.7 steals, 0.8 blocks for his career

He had great defensive impact, amazing team defender, terrifc basketball IQ, quickest hands, good post defender, didn't have the speed or lateral quickness but could hold his own on the perimeter on-ball

He was mainly a PF who had to play SF for many years though, so he had to adjust on the defensive end

[SHAQisGOAT]

Yeah, if they were shooting 70%, sure. They weren't. The offensive efficiency wasn't any better. Just more possessions due to nobody playing any defense.

You're confusing me and even yourself now, just stop

[NumberSix]

You're confusing me and even yourself now, just stop

Really dude?

It's not even remotely complicated. If you find this a difficult concept to grasp, I don't even know how to make it any simpler.

[NumberSix]

Or you can also go the other way around and say that they've played greater offense, that today nobody plays good offense nowadays

Soooooo......... Lemme get this straight......


You're saying because defensive rules are weaker these days, nobody plays good offence anymore? Offensive efficiency has LOWERED?


So, what? If they brought back hand checking, LeBron would being shooting an even higher percentage and have more assists?

How in the world does that make any sense?