James Harden or Russell Westbrook?

[Mach_3]

You wouldn't be mad if he s on ur team. Thunder fans did not complain harden drew too many fouls last year.

The thing is his Beardozer move is a new invention in the league( as far as i know) I mean you drive and put ur arms up and purposely go thru other's arm and make them either stuck to hit you or make them really want to swipe the ball coz its rite there. He initiated, but there is nothing in the rule books says thats offensive foul. His feet and body did not charge in and invade you space. and clearly draw contact during shooting process.

plus his playmaking is just butifu:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XqmHjzdM4Q

Actually i despise when Paul Pierce does his "head snap back and scream like a viking warlord" schtick. Personally i dont think that "i'm gonna swing my arms through your body" thing that Harden does is a foul either way. Honestly they should just let it play because he's initiating contact in the first place.

I'm one of those basketball purists who absolutely HATES flopping at any level. Its despicable to me and shows that you need to trick the refs into thinking you got fouled in order to score.

[brandonislegend]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVitzGz9g2s

One of many games broken down.

[pnyozzzoo]

Actually i despise when Paul Pierce does his "head snap back and scream like a viking warlord" schtick. Personally i dont think that "i'm gonna swing my arms through your body" thing that Harden does is a foul either way. Honestly they should just let it play because he's initiating contact in the first place.

I'm one of those basketball purists who absolutely HATES flopping at any level. Its despicable to me and shows that you need to trick the refs into thinking you got fouled in order to score.

I dun think you can call that flopping, a loophole in the rule book maybe. But he is not faking contact or exaggerated it much, in fact he often play thru contact and try get and1s.

Sure u can make it in the rule book and charge block already 2 hardest things to call now u want a your start or I start arm contact foul too?

Plus it takes skills and strength, he practices that. and you dun see anyone else use that move, coz most prob they ll lost the handle b4 that. He had a wrist strength guy train him on court b4 game in okc you can see those rubber band things.

[Graviton]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVitzGz9g2s

One of many games broken down.

Now when you learn how to think for yourself and pay attention to the good he does instead of relying on a known Westbrook hater that cherry picks his stupid moments, then you may be taken seriously.

"Why Russell Westbrook Is Still Not A Championship Point Guard"

Wonder how many championships Coach Nick has won lmao.

[SyRyanYang]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVitzGz9g2s

One of many games broken down.

1:22 bad pass from KD
1:34 Jumper after screen, pretty normal, better defense from TD thou
1:55 Parker going full speed at you on a fast break, talking about man-on-man defense
2:06 wide open because of a screen
2:17 another screen
2:59 mis-match happens all the time
3:30 Iso-jumper, big deal
3:49 Ibaka travels and blame WB
3:53 Durant unable to box out Jackson and it's WB's fault
Stopped watching
Seriously, I can make a 10 hours long video talking about how many bad decisions Kobe has made in his career and claim he will never won a Champion. Fact is, the good outweighs the bad, a lot.

[brandonislegend]

Now when you learn how to think for yourself and pay attention to the good he does instead of relying on a known Westbrook hater that cherry picks his stupid moments, then you may be taken seriously.

"Why Russell Westbrook Is Still Not A Championship Point Guard"

Wonder how many championships Coach Nick has won lmao.

You swear you need a ring to know about the game of basketball. How many coaches in the NBA don't have a championship ring as a player, watch the video he knows what he is talking about he explains everything nice and simple for you too.

[pnyozzzoo]

Now when you learn how to think for yourself and pay attention to the good he does instead of relying on a known Westbrook hater that cherry picks his stupid moments, then you may be taken seriously.

"Why Russell Westbrook Is Still Not A Championship Point Guard"

Wonder how many championships Coach Nick has won lmao.

I agree RW is the perfect sec option to durant who can be passive and denied at time. only one can compare is of course healthy d rose.
CP3 Rondo and nash would make thunder much worse. Coz they have lots specialists not all rounded players.

[brandonislegend]

1:22 bad pass from KD
1:34 Jumper after screen, pretty normal, better defense from TD thou
1:55 Parker going full speed at you on a fast break, talking about man-on-man defense
2:06 wide open because of a screen
2:17 another screen
2:59 mis-match happens all the time
3:30 Iso-jumper, big deal
3:49 Ibaka travels and blame WB
3:53 Durant unable to box out Jackson and it's WB's fault
Stopped watching
Seriously, I can make a 10 hours long video talking about how many bad decisions Kobe has made in his career and claim he will never won a Champion. Fact is, the good outweighs the bad, a lot.

Except Kobe is a Shooting guard and Westbrook is a point guard that runs the team?

[Graviton]

1:22 bad pass from KD
1:34 Jumper after screen, pretty normal, better defense from TD thou
1:55 Parker going full speed at you on a fast break, talking about man-on-man defense
2:06 wide open because of a screen
2:17 another screen
2:59 mis-match happens all the time
3:30 Iso-jumper, big deal
3:49 Ibaka travels and blame WB
3:53 Durant unable to box out Jackson and it's WB's fault
Stopped watching
Seriously, I can make a 10 hours long video talking about how many bad decisions Kobe has made in his career and claim he will never won a Champion. Fact is, the good outweighs the bad, a lot.

Exactly lol, you can make a video like that on Lebron too. Those were mostly minor mistakes or non factors that happen in EVERY game and are commited by every player. This is just Coach Nick hating on Westbrook, "he can be 3rd or 4th best shooting guard behind Kobe, Wade, Manu" LOL can he be any more obvious? Westbrook is Top 8 player yet 4th best SG lol.

[pnyozzzoo]

Except Kobe is a Shooting guard and Westbrook is a point guard that runs the team?

Position dun matter as always the general labels, Team personnel , talents at different position, play style decide how one plays. WB is perfect with his wrecking crew style. of course if he has high iq that be great but then it will be unreal.

One thing other PG cannot do for thunder, Taking so many shots carry so much load and plays so hard and be healthy for them whole season. They really need him that badly.

[Mach_3]

I dun think you can call that flopping, a loophole in the rule book maybe. But he is not faking contact or exaggerated it much, in fact he often play thru contact and try get and1s.

Sure u can make it in the rule book and charge block already 2 hardest things to call now u want a your start or I start arm contact foul too?

Plus it takes skills and strength, he practices that. and you dun see anyone else use that move, coz most prob they ll lost the handle b4 that. He had a wrist strength guy train him on court b4 game in okc you can see those rubber band things.

Im not saying change it in the rulebooks im just saying don't call anything. It's pretty obvious when Harden (at least to me it is) is about to use that move. And i wasn't specifically talking about that when i meant his flopping, i just mean all the super exaggerated contact he normally does. Granted i haven't seen him do it as much so maybe that a sign

[SyRyanYang]

Except Kobe is a Shooting guard and Westbrook is a point guard that runs the team?

Russell is really a combo-guard. He can be a shooting guard if coach wants him to be.
And this is not my point, I used Kobe only as an example.

[Graviton]

Except Kobe is a Shooting guard and Westbrook is a point guard that runs the team?

Except Westbrook is their 2nd best scorer that Coach Brooks TELLS to shoot? 9APG on top if 21 points not good enough?

What exactly do you want Westbrook to do, give some real points. You sound like a teenager repeating the same crap you hear on TV without providing any context or real opinion. "He is a PG", "He needs to shoot less", "He has to run the team".

Reality check, he is playing like a PG and setting everyone up while also breaking down defenses, scorin, rebounding and playing tough D for 40+ minutes. You clearly don't pay attention to OKC games, just keep recycling the same old "Westbrook is not a PG!" myth.

[SyRyanYang]

Im not saying change it in the rulebooks im just saying don't call anything. It's pretty obvious when Harden (at least to me it is) is about to use that move. And i wasn't specifically talking about that when i meant his flopping, i just mean all the super exaggerated contact he normally does. Granted i haven't seen him do it as much so maybe that a sign

yeah it's definitely not flopping. I was amazed at the ridiculous number of fouls he draws with that move. It's almost like the defenders are compelled to foul him whenever he reaches his arm out on the drive.

[pnyozzzoo]

Im not saying change it in the rulebooks im just saying don't call anything. It's pretty obvious when Harden (at least to me it is) is about to use that move. And i wasn't specifically talking about that when i meant his flopping, i just mean all the super exaggerated contact he normally does. Granted i haven't seen him do it as much so maybe that a sign

I dun think its that obvious, he does it sometimes, most time its just arms up and front and lure others to steal it. I d say he go thru others body less than 30% of the fouls, 30% people really did hit him first coz he lured, 30% standard hack body head,challenge shot, 10% random fouls.

Its not like he use it on people every turn he gets.