Last couple games has shown how having a great pg makes scoring much easier for kobe

[Bandito]

LOL indeed.

Kobe Bryant, L.A. Lakers, 2004
Lakers vs. Pistons -- Bryant's PER 14.2
With his feud against Shaq escalating and the series getting away from the Lakers, Bryant began taking whatever shot struck him. Mostly, they struck the rim -- [COLOR="Red"]he shot 38.1[/COLOR] percent and[COLOR="Red"] had nearly as many turnovers (18) as assists (22)[/COLOR] as Detroit romped in five games.

ESPN- Ranking the Top 10 Worst NBA Finals Performances Ever

I guess GP gets to use the 'old ass' excuse... what was Kobe's?

thats what happens when defenses collapse on you and dares you to shoot jumpers. Didn't you see those finals? They were playing the passing lanes preventing the ball hitting Shaq down low and daring him to shoot because nobody could shoot to save their life.

[tpols]

Interesting this old man Nash vs Payton thing.

Would you Kobe fans state that the 35 year old payton, was worse than the 37 year old Jason Kidd that was the starting pg for the Mavs championship run?


Looking at pure stats

Kidd: 8/8/4
Payton: 15/6/4


Remember Kidd was the engine that made that mavs teams run

And what about he playoff stats? EIGHT points FIVE assists on 36 percent..

Kidd is totally differ nt from payton.. He was a true facilitator and passer and leader. Straight intangibles. I wouldn't call him 'great' right now based off his numbers since his role is much ore limited and he doesn't handle the ball as much but he is and was much much more of a facilitator than payton was. This takes eyes to see though.

[Purch]

Payton didn't fit well in the triangle system all season and he even criticized the offense that Phil ran. Not to mention he was disappointing defensively, especially against Detroit in the Finals, Billups killed him. His game suffered under the triangle because he's a ball dominant PG who plays under an offense that doesn't need a ball dominant PG. Plus, Gary wasn't know for being a catch and shoot player that the triangle needs.

[guy]

Its hilarious to me that it seems from some of the posts on this thread that people think that Kobe was somehow handicapped up until this point for never having a great PG to play with. They make it seem like many of the wing scorers he's been compared to like Bird, Jordan, T-Mac, Lebron, Wade, Melo, Durant have actually gotten to play with a facilitator like Nash.

[Purch]

And what about he playoff stats? EIGHT points FIVE assists on 36 percent..

Kidd is totally differ nt from payton.. He was a true facilitator and passer and leader. Straight intangibles. I wouldn't call him 'great' right now based off his numbers since his role is much ore limited and he doesn't handle the ball as much but he is and was much much more of a facilitator than payton was. This takes eyes to see though.

O yea he never was as good a distributor as Nash and Kidd. That's because outside of Magic, Stockton, Nash and Kidd there are only a handful of players that have come close to that level of playmaking abilty, like Cp3.

But because of the Op's original point it has to be stated that 96% of the people Kobe is compared to has never played with a playmaker like Kidd or Nash, becaue those guys are rare, and tend to lead their own teams until their past their prime.

[Purch]

And another thing. Payton is a better playmaker than 75% of the starting point guards in leauge history. You can't discredit him by comparing him to two of the best playmakers to ever play the game

[tpols]

And another thing. Payton is a better playmaker than 75% of the starting point guards in leauge history. You can't discredit him by comparing him to two of the best playmakers to ever play the game

Not even close when he played with Kobe.. Which was what was being discussed.

[TheBigVeto]

Payton is the most overrated PG of all time.

[Purch]

Payton is the most overrated PG of all time.

Based on..

[MaxFly]

people are gonna think this is a troll post because you got kobe in your username but i agree with you a 100%. its no coincidence that every season in jordans career he played without pippen he had a losing record and missed the playoffs half the time and was shooting in the low 40s fg%. most of praise that jordan gets should go to scottie. going by numbers and facts he turned a decent scorer into a legend.

Seriously, man?

[Purch]

Payton is the most overrated PG of all time.

[STATUTORY]

based on ppl watching him play rook. Payton played the PG the way it wasn't meant to. You don't win chips with a post up point guard in this league

[Purch]

based on ppl watching him play rook. Payton played the PG the way it wasn't meant to. You don't win chips with a post up point guard in this league

Rook

[NumberSix]

Gotta love Kobe Stan's and their constant minute-to-minute
goalpost moving

[Rubio2Gasol]

based on ppl watching him play rook. Payton played the PG the way it wasn't meant to. You don't win chips with a post up point guard in this league

Lakers did.

Post up point guard being Kobe.