#1 NBA Player Peak Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

[Nevaeh]

individual defensive + DWS ratings yes, but team defensive ratings no

team defensive ratings are just points allowed per game adjusted for pace

And if that team's pace is slowed way down during the course of a game, their "Defense Rating" looks like a million bucks, even if they're just stalling the clock out on every possession.

An opposing team can be left wide open every time down the court, but if they're missing, the "defending" team can end having a high defense rating.

YMF, just let it go man.............

[RRR3]

Why is Yao Ming's Foot (AKA Kobe Bryant's pubic hair) arguing for Shaq? He does realize we can all bring up that he said Shaq had the GOAT peak when he tries to act like Kobe had 5 rings as the alpha dog doesn't he?

[fpliii]

And if that team's pace is slowed way down during the course of a game, their "Defense Rating" looks like a million bucks, even if they're just stalling the clock out on every possession.

An opposing team can be left wide open every time down the court, but if they're missing, the "defending" team can end having a high defense rating.

YMF, just let it go man.............

excuse me, when did I address you in this thread? do you have any clue what I was responding to? here:

Considering defensive ratings require defensive stats to work and the fact they didn't keep track of steals blocks or defensive rebounds until the late 60's might have something to do with it.

all I did was correct magictricked

I didn't say anything about defensive rating being a perfect statistic, or even suggest using it



EDIT: your first point also isn't true, that's actually the opposite of what DRtg does; if you slow the game down, it doesn't make a difference, since DRtg adjusts for the # of possessions

[Yao Ming's Foot]

excuse me, when did I address you in this thread? do you have any clue what I was responding to? here:



all I did was correct magictricked

I didn't say anything about defensive rating being a perfect statistic, or even suggest using it



EDIT: your first point also isn't true, that's actually the opposite of what DRtg does; if you slow the game down, it doesn't make a difference, since DRtg adjusts for the # of possessions

Don't bother trying to explaining it man. Its willful ignorance at this point. How can some posters spend so much time arguing against a simple statistic that they still don't even understand.

[fpliii]

Don't bother trying to explaining it man. Its willful ignorance at this point. How can some posters spend so much time arguing against a simple statistic that they still don't even understand.

I'm not even defending it, but this guy went 7 pages back into this thread to take a quote of mine out of context

for the record, DRtg is what it is; in the dedicated thread, I'm posting my thoughts

[fpliii]

a little less than 1hr left

Jordan leading Shaq by 2 votes

[joeyjoejoe]

Shaq

[fpliii]

10 minutes left, Jordan up one on Shaq

[LamarOdom]

Kobe Bryant

[Owl]

I'd say Jordan with Wilt as my second choice.

[KOBE143]

Kobe Bryant

this

but he's 2nd to Mike

[AK47DR91]

Jordan 1990-'93 over Shaq's 1999-02 for me.

A few things that sway my way to MJ:
More MVP's, scoring titles, and better Finals competition.

[MisterAmazing]

00-02

[fpliii]

So Shaq will win the vote for #2, right? Or is it going to be one of those things where two guys are neck-and-neck for a spot and then the loser doesn't even take the following spot/round?

not sure, but I posted the voting to the other thread

maybe I should carry over all non-MJ votes

[Yao Ming's Foot]

During Jordan's first 3-peat the yearwise league average ORtg/Drtg was around 108 in the regular season and 110 in the playoffs. Scoring was cash money, and MJ logged around a 32% of both his career playoff games and minutes during this span. Things remained fairly fruitful in the next 5 seasons, with a yearly average rating of 106.8 in the regular season and 107.1 during the playoffs. MJ played approximately another 38% of his career playoff games and minutes during this stretch.

From the start of the Tim Duncan championship season in 1999 to the End of the Shaq/Kobe Lakers era in 2004 the yearwise league rating was 103.4 in the regular season and 103.0 in the playoffs. You might as well have hid your money under the mattress, because times were tough. These 6 years were the 6 lowest for ORating/DRating in the last 20 regular seasons and included the lowest 5 for the last 20 playoff seasons. Duncan played around 43% of his career playoff games during this stretch and 45.47% of his total playoff minutes, Shaq around 46.7% (51.5% of minutes) and Kobe 52% (and 56% of his total playoff minutes).