Um...the 90's Bulls were a super team people

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pippen is overrated, Rodman was an absolute head case that most teams wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, and Harper was a shell of his former self.

As is Jordan, at least going by the logic his stans use. LOL at 'making' someone.

[VIP2000]

Not really, they were just a really well-constructed team. Only Jordan and Pippen were perennial All-Stars, the others were just excellent role players who played to their maximum.

[ImmortalD24]

Jordan stans

It is what it is.. Jordan made. Accept it.

[eliteballer]

Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ before joining the Bulls. LOL @ roleplayer.

[Ne 1]

Pippen was the 5th pick in the draft, an MVP caliber player in 94. Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ without Jordan. The Bulls had the 3 superstar template.

Scottie was a top 5 pick, and highly sought after talent (Chicago traded to get him from Seattle). He had his playmaking/ball handling skills from playing PG as a teen, and he was already touted as a great defensive player coming out of college (averaged 3+ steals). He improved dramatically EVERY year he was in college, which shows his tremendous work ethic before he even met Mike (went from a team manager to a college star in like 4-5 years).

He sure as hell wasn't just some dime a dozen scrub who showed up in the NBA one day and Jordan decided to use his midas touch to make him a star. I'm sure if Jordan had this mythical ability then he would have taken everyone under his wing and made something of them. By Pippen's rookie year, announcers around the league were already projecting him to be a superstar. By his second year he had improved into a solid second option and by his third he was an All-Star and one of the best "#2s" in the entire league. Either Jordan was a godly teacher or maybe.....Pippen was just freaking talented. By the way, his improvement came at a time when Jordan wasn't even the vocal leader of the team (that came around '90 from Grant's account). They had a segment about this in the '91 Pistons series and oddly enough, Grant named Corzine as the one providing leadership to guys like Pippen and him in their first couple of years. Pippen was one of the most physically talented players of his era, was unnaturally skilled for a guy his size and was showing tons of flashes of greatness early on in his rookie year. I'd say he would not only be fine without Jordan but maybe even better off (gets a chance to develop faster without a teammate taking 30 shots a night, and maybe even win a ring on his own as he showed he was capable of leading a contending team in '94, because hey, we all know on ISH, 1 ring as the man > 6 as a #2). Jordan helped him sure but lets quit the outrageous "Jordan made Pippen" bull shit.

[Rab]

They were very well constructed, but their core was built through the draft, but Jordan, Pippen, and Grant were drafted, and built around. They had Kukoc's draft rights, and signed Rodman when no one else wanted them. It's not like teams today where players in their primes force their way off their team to join others in their prime.

[swi7ch]

Here you go man:

* nba title
* 72-10 record in the regular season
* 15-3 record in the playoffs
* all-star mvp, regular season mvp, and finals mvp in jordan
* phil jackson won coach of the year award
* kukoc won the 6th man award
* jordan's 30.4 ppg led the league (was 3rd in steals at 2.2)
* rodman's 14.9 rpg led the league
* jordan and pippen were named to the 1st team all nba team
* jordan, pippen, rodman were named to the 1st team all defensive team
* kerr was second in the league in 3 pt percentage


Oh yeah, that's just ONE season.

[AlphaWolf24]

Pippen , Rodman , Cartwright , Grant , Kukoc even Phil never even heard of basketball....until MJ yelled at them in practice.

[VIP2000]

Rodman was a multiple DPOY/rebounding champ before joining the Bulls. LOL @ roleplayer.

Still, he was not someone you build a franchise around. Unlike guys like Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, Dwight, LeBron, Nash, etc.

[Ne 1]

90s Bulls:

-3 hall of famers (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman)
-5 All-Stars (Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, Grant, Armstrong)
-3 of the games best defenders (Jordan, Pippen; the GOAT perimeter defender and Rodman)
-2 of the games best 3 point shooters (Kerr and Kukoc)

[Calabis]

At least the 2nd team:

Jordan=>LeBron
Pippen=Wade
Rodman=>Bosh

Kukoc="Euro Jordan"/Could've scored 20 a game on his own(and did when the Bulls brokeup)
Harper: 20/6/5 before joining Bulls
Kerr: Top 3 point % shooter in history

If Ewing played with Nique they would have beat the Bulls in 92, possibly 93. Not even going to mention that Pippen/Grant/Armstrong were All-Stars the year Jordan retired from the first team.

[97 bulls]

So Pippen was a superstar on his own team before joining the Bulls? No he was drafted by the Bulls and was an unknown commodity.

Grant, same deal.

Harper was nowhere near what he was during his Cavs/Clippers days.

Kukoc was great, but you are vastly overrating him.

Rodman was never a superstar. He was an excellent rebounder and defensive player, that nobody wanted when the Bulls signed him.

BJ's ASG nod was underseved and I was there to see it first hand.

But to put Cartwright/Longlet on the same plane as Howard/Shaq is laugable.

Are you saying the Bulls werent really that great of a team outside of Jordan?

[Ne 1]

Pippen , Rodman , Cartwright , Grant , Kukoc even Phil never even heard of basketball....until MJ yelled at them in practice.

Grant was an exceptional third fiddle who I'd take over many players more talented than him. Good and clutch defender, had a dependable mid-range shot, great finisher around the rim, dominant offensive rebounder, brought all the imaginable intangibles and a very underrated passer in the triangle. Teams would kill to have a #3 guy like him.

Anyone who wants to measure his impact can look at how the Bulls did in '94 season when he was injured (6 game losing streak iirc). And then see how much they missed him in the '95 playoffs against Orlando (ironically Grant's new team). It wasn't until they added the GOAT rebounder that they were able to fill the void he left.

[AlphaWolf24]

Grant was an exceptional third fiddle who I'd take over many players more talented than him. Good and clutch defender, had a dependable mid-range shot, great finisher around the rim, dominant offensive rebounder, brought all the imaginable intangibles and a very underrated passer in the triangle. Teams would kill to have a #3 guy like him.

Anyone who wants to measure his impact can look at how the Bulls did in '94 season when he was injured (6 game losing streak iirc). And then see how much they missed him in the '95 playoffs. It wasn't until they added the GOAT rebounder that they were able to fill the void he left.

Grant was a very important player in 95' for the Magic also...anyone who watched him play knows how great of a player he really was

[97 bulls]

The Bulls haad two coaches make the hall of fame because of how sominant they were in the 90s. Jackson and Winter.