Who Is Luckier Bill Russell or Kobe Bryant?

[TheBigVeto]

Always With Plenty of Great Superstars and All Stars Around Them To Win

Who You Got For Luckier?

Duh. Kobe of course.
David Stern wasn't in the league during Russell's time. He won fairly.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Don't care about PER, Saw a 22 year old Hakeem take down the GOAT team in history with virtually no help in 86, took out another GOAT team on the way.

Then I saw him embarrass a series of Hall of Fame centers on his way to a chip, again with virtually no help.

The man was a god.

Also, don't take shots at Kobe man, he put up 48/16/6 already , saw him embarrass my Kings and Christie like they were nothing...the dude was special.

[G-Funk]

They Mad!

[DonDadda59]

The Lakers have always done right by Kobe, that's one player in modern NBA history who has absolutely no right to complain about his front office.

[Da Hammer]

The tears of Kobe Haters are pretty delicious. MOAR tears!!!

[Round Mound]

Kobe has had the Best Passing Creating Big Man of Today and a Top 5 PF/CF for his Rings and The Best 6tman in the NBA in Odom to Win his Rings Against Lesser Competition.

Man if Guys Like Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Robinson would have had the Teams Kobe Has Had They Would Have Atleast 2 or 3 Championships but Ofcourse Today`s NBA is Full Marketing and Wan`ts to Force the MJ vs kobe Debate for the Next Years...

Kobe Has One of the Lowest PERs I Wonder Why...

[M.Bustly15A5RU8]

technically kobe won with a pretty average team in 09 and 10 compared to most all time

bynum was a scrub back then ( 8 and 6ppg? )
odom never was an allstar before


i think having allot of help in todays nba is the only way to beat a team like miami

so its not like its going against anything


just like the 80's celtics and 80's lakers both needing 3-4 hall of famers to compete with each other..




OP is just a jealous fat hater who fell in love with a lazy no defense playing doughnut eating underachiver

You have to compare teams to their peers and not to other eras. Odom and Gasol by themselves are a lot of help. Gasol was, in my opinion, at least as important as Kobe in the 09/10 run.

[Round Mound]

The Lakers have always done right by Kobe, that's one player in modern NBA history who has absolutely no right to complain about his front office.

[Rubio2Gasol]

Kobe has had the Best Passing Creating Big Man of Today and a Top 5 PF/CF for his Rings and The Best 6tman in the NBA in Odom to Win his Rings Against Lesser Competition.

Man if Guys Like Barkley, Malone, Stockton, Ewing, Robinson would have had the Teams Kobe Has Had They Would Have Atleast 2 or 3 Championships but Ofcourse Today`s NBA is Full Marketing and Wan`ts to Force the MJ vs kobe Debate for the Next Years...

Kobe Has One of the Lowest PERs I Wonder Why...

Stop with the PER foolishness man.....Malone and Stock had great teams, Ewing less so, Kobe ate Robinson in 01 soI have no sympathy.

Kobe is great you don't need to discredit what he did to get those guys their rightful credit.

[Rubio2Gasol]

You have to compare teams to their peers and not to other eras. Odom and Gasol by themselves are a lot of help. Gasol was, in my opinion, at least as important as Kobe in the 09/10 run.

Gasol is my favorite player in the game...but he wasn't.Gasol was inconsistent throughout than Run, got outplayed by Amare an awful lot...if we look at the run as a whole Kobe was much much better,

But Gasol got it done in game 7 like a boss

[hawke812]

definitely kobe. Career 45% chucker should never win as the leading man. he was carried by GOAT/dominant centers. Kobe's barely a top 30 player all time and barely a top 10 SG all time.

Bynum carried Kobe

Mad as hell brah

[jlauber]

Luck?

Well, Russell was esentially drafted by the Celtics (he was actually traded to them) to a Celtics team that had gone 39-33 the year before, AND, who ALSO drafted Tom Heinsohn in the same draft. Then, the very next season they would draft Sam Jones. A few years later, when Cousy was in the twilight of his career, they essentially replaced him with John Havlicek.

And as great as Russell was, going 10-0 in his game seven's, his teams won SEVEN of them by margins of four points, or less, including a couple of OT wins.

Of course, he also had Sam Jones hitting something like 25 game winners in the post-season (and eight in the Finals), and players like Havlicek making miraculous plays, or Nelson hitting miraculous shots to win game seven's.

BTW, Havlicek continued to play after Russell retired, ands within a couple of years, the Celts added Dave Cowens and then went 56-26, and an all-time best 68-14 in 72-73, and then won two titles in the next three seasons.


Kobe? How much luckier can it get when he goes to a loaded Laker team, and plays with a Shaq who was the best player in the game for some five straight seasons in the Kobe-era. A Shaq who put up the most dominant Finals in three straight years.

When Shaq left, the Lakers immediately plummetted to a 34-48 record. A couple of years later they stole Gasol, and the rest is history. Three straight Finals, and two more rings.

True, Kobe was instrumental in getting past the Spurs in the early 00's, and was their best player in those three straight Finals appearances at the end of the decade, but there was no question he was somewhat "lucky."

The fact was, there was TON of "luck" involved in BOTH players winning their rings. And, the game is a TEAM game, too. Neither win rings without a TON of support.

[Yao Ming's Foot]

The player who won 5 rings with just 1 HOF/All Star teammate per title team obviously

[Round Mound]

[B]If PER is Crap then Why Is that the GOAT Is N

[Heavincent]

Kobe is a consensus top 10 player of all time. Pissing and moaning isn't gonna change that fact.