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Kobe Apostle
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by jlauber
Had Wilt had the good fortune to be paired with MAGIC for 10 seasons, I suspect that he would have EASILY surpassed BOTH in career rings.
He had Jerry West. Who at the time was the greatest guard in the game. And what did he do? Win 1 ring
Heck, West averaged 38 ppg in a Finals series and had a 42/13/12 game 7 yet Wilt still lost. The dude was just a choker.
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
He had Jerry West. Who at the time was the greatest guard in the game. And what did he do? Win 1 ring
Heck, West averaged 38 ppg in a Finals series and had a 42/13/12 game 7 yet Wilt still lost. The dude was just a choker.
Where was West in game seven of the '70 Finals?
Where was West in the ENTIRE '71 playoffs?
And how about West in the year in which he finally got that ring (71-72)? He shot .376 in the entire post-season, and an even worse .325 in the Finals. Oh, the same post-season that Chamberlain cut Kareem down in the WCF's, and then won the FMVP with a clinching game five performance of 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 9 blocks.
And then in their last Finals together in 72-73? West shot .442 in that Finals, which included a clinching loss performance of 12 points on 5-17 shooting (meanwhile, Wilt in that game, scored 23 points, on 9-16 shooting, with 21 rebounds.)
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Good High School Starter
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Lebron right there on top!
Last years performance was inexcusable
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Kobe Apostle
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by jlauber
Where was West in game seven of the '70 Finals?
Where was West in the ENTIRE '71 playoffs?
And how about West in the year in which he finally got that ring (71-72)? He shot .376 in the entire post-season, and an even worse .325 in the Finals. Oh, the same post-season that Chamberlain cut Kareem down in the WCF's, and then won the FMVP with a clinching game five performance of 24 points, on 10-14 shooting, with 29 rebounds, and 9 blocks.
And then in their last Finals together in 72-73? West shot .442 in that Finals, which included a clinching loss performance of 12 points on 5-17 shooting (meanwhile, Wilt in that game, scored 23 points, on 9-16 shooting, with 21 rebounds.)
Tell me what was Wilt's numbers in '69
West - 38 ppg, 42/13/12 game 7
Wilt? benched in final 5 minutes of game 7
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NBA Superstar
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
Lebron has to be #1 right now. You kidding me?
Originally Posted by Heavincent
1.) Lebron
'nuff said.
As of now, nobody will ever be a bigger choker than Karl Malone.
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I brick nerf balls
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
1. Karl Malone (The mail man never delivered when it mattered the most)
2. Elvin Hayes (In the '78 Finals against Seattle, Hayes scored 133 points in the first six games, but only 19 of those came in the fourth quarter, a statistic that became the key subplot of that Finals. In Game 7 in Seattle, Hayes scored just 12 points and fouled out with eight minutes remaining.)
3. LeBron James (For Now. His performance last year in the Finals is inexcusable)
4. Wilt Chamberlain (I beg you jlauber don't spam my thread with your long essays.)
5. David Robinson (His mid 90's teams usually dominated the season then underachieved in the postseason, his numbers dropped too.)
The choking bit about Chamberlain really gives me a lot of aggro:
1962 After Wilt sinks 2 clutch free throws and then finishes 3 the hard way, Red Auerbach ADMITS the Celtics timekeeper cheats the Warriors out of the last play:
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012...vs-jungle-jim/
1965 Chamberlain scores the last 8 points including 2 free throws of the Havlicek stole the ball game.... Bill Russell chokes on the inbounds pass.... Hal Greer throws away the inbounds pass
1966 Coach Dolph Schayes calls timeouts while his team is running wide open fast breaks; Hal Greer repeats his inbound pass throwaways, this time by failing to get the ball inbounds at all; Mendy Rudolph calls a goaltend to cost the last game.
1968 The Sixers implode with injuries when Billy Cunningham breaks his arm in 3 places in the playoffs running into Phil Jackson against the Knicks, Chet Walker, Hal Greer & Wali Jones all have hamstring pulls in the Eastern Division Finals
1970 Chamberlain comes back from a Patella injury in time for the playoffs and is miraculously able to perform at a "Chamberlain level" for 3 of the Finals games.
1971 Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Keith Erickson miss the playoffs with injuries.
I don't get the choking bit on that guy, sorry.
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Elvin Hayes was even worse than what you listed off, but James is still worse. LeBron quit on Shaq, who was actually doing great against the Celtics, as KG said often - and that had to be a factor in the Celtics picking up that old man the next season
Elgin Baylor should be on this list. He was Brick City in 69 & 70.
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Kobe Apostle
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by La Frescobaldi
The choking bit about Chamberlain really gives me a lot of aggro:
1962 After Wilt sinks 2 clutch free throws and then finishes 3 the hard way, Red Auerbach ADMITS the Celtics timekeeper cheats the Warriors out of the last play:
http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2012...vs-jungle-jim/
1965 Chamberlain scores the last 8 points of the Havlicek stole the ball game.... Bill Russell chokes on the inbounds pass.... Hal Greer throws away the inbounds pass
1966 Coach Dolph Schayes calls timeouts while his team is running wide open fast breaks; Hal Greer repeats his inbound pass throwaways, this time by failing to get the ball inbounds at all; Mendy Rudolph calls a goaltend to cost the last game.
1968 The Sixers implode with injuries when Billy Cunningham breaks his arm in 3 places in the playoffs running into Phil Jackson against the Knicks, Chet Walker, Hal Greer & Wali Jones all have hamstring pulls in the Eastern Division Finals
1970 Chamberlain comes back from a Patella injury in time for the playoffs and is miraculously able to perform at a "Chamberlain level" for 3 of the Finals games.
1971 Elgin Baylor, Jerry West, and Keith Erickson miss the playoffs with injuries.
I don't get the choking bit on that guy, sorry.
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Elvin Hayes was even worse than what you listed off, but James is still worse. LeBron quit on Shaq, who was actually doing great against the Celtics, as KG said often - and that had to be a factor in the Celtics picking up that old man the next season
Elgin Baylor should be on this list. He was Brick City in 69 & 70.
Baylor be on the list. But not Wilt
LOLOLOL
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
How can Lebron be there? He ain't an all-time great....hit me up when he gets some rings.
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NBA Legend and Hall of Famer
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by Scholar
Getting beaten by an MJ-led Bulls squad in the NBA Finals doesn't automatically translate to "never delivered when it mattered the most."
It does when you play the worst ball of your career in the process.
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Lebron is an all time great? Interesting
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by 1987_Lakers
1. Karl Malone (The mail man never delivered when it mattered the most)
2. Elvin Hayes (In the '78 Finals against Seattle, Hayes scored 133 points in the first six games, but only 19 of those came in the fourth quarter, a statistic that became the key subplot of that Finals. In Game 7 in Seattle, Hayes scored just 12 points and fouled out with eight minutes remaining.)
3. LeBron James (For Now. His performance last year in the Finals is inexcusable)
4. Wilt Chamberlain (I beg you jlauber don't spam my thread with your long essays.)
5. David Robinson (His mid 90's teams usually dominated the season then underachieved in the postseason, his numbers dropped too.)
Where's Kobe and his ultimate fails in the Finals ? Pathetic list without Kobe tbh
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by Alamo
Lebron is an all time great? Interesting
What?
He certainly is.
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well well well
Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by Alamo
Lebron is an all time great? Interesting
All Time Great choke Artists that is, now seriosuly lebron has nothing to do on that list.
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Re: Who is your top 5 biggest chokers among the All-Time Greats?
Originally Posted by Mr. Jabbar
All Time Great choke Artists that is, now seriosuly lebron has nothing to do on that list.
Yeah right.
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