Wilt's defense at 34 years old

[Deuce Bigalow]

Ah, but when he had talented, and HEALTHY rosters, like in '67 and '72...68-13 and 69-13 teams that just demolished the league en route to overwhelming titles.

also '69 and '70 when his sub 40% freethrow shooting in the series cost him 2 rings.

[jlauber]

Just like in '60-'73, but 2 rings

Of course, as you have pointed out before, had Wilt not gone 1-11 from the line in game seven of the '70 Finals, in a blowout loss,...he would have won 3-4 more rings.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Of course, as you have pointed out before, had Wilt not gone 1-11 from the line in game seven of the '70 Finals, in a blowout loss,...he would have won 3-4 more rings.

not just game 7. the whole series he was terrible in '69 and '70
game 1,2,3,4,5,6
In close games freethrows count

But hey it's always his teammates fault

[jlauber]

not just game 7. the whole series he was terrible in '69 and '70
game 1,2,3,4,5,6
In close games freethrows count

But hey it's always his teammates fault

O course, only in your mind, do FGAs NOT count. Look up Chamberlain's teammates shooting from the floor in those series.

For instance, in game three of the '69 Finals, BOTH Baylor and West shot a combined 1-14 from the field in the 4th period, in a six point loss. Or in game four, when Baylor not only shot 2-14 from the field, he also contributed a 1-6 performance from the line...in a ONE point loss. And, how about this...in that game seven, TWO POINT loss, Chamberlain shot .875 from the field...and his teammates collectively shot .360 (and Baylor went 8-22 in that game.) In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find a so-called all-time great, who had a WORSE series, than what Baylor had in '69. He was simply AWFUL.

[jlauber]

But, I digress. I have to learn to ignore these worthless "debates" with a mindless idiot.

[Deuce Bigalow]

O course, only in your mind, do FGAs NOT count. Look up Chamberlain's teammates shooting from the floor in those series.

For instance, in game three of the '69 Finals, BOTH Baylor and West shot a combined 1-14 from the field in the 4th period, in a six point loss. Or in game four, when Baylor not only shot 2-14 from the field, he also contributed a 1-6 performance from the line...in a ONE point loss. And, how about this...in that game seven, TWO POINT loss, Chamberlain shot .875 from the field...and his teammates collectively shot .360 (and Baylor went 8-22 in that game.) In fact, you would be hard-pressed to find a so-called all-time great, who had a WORSE series, than what Baylor had in '69. He was simply AWFUL.

West in game 7: 42 pts, 13 reb, 12 ast
Wilt in game 7: 4-13 from the freethrow line

Lost by 2

[jlauber]

West in game 7: 42 pts, 13 reb, 12 ast
Wilt in game 7: 4-13 from the freethrow line

Lost by 2

Perfect example...if West could have scored just three more points, LA would have won that game, and the series. What a "choker." Clearly, it was West who cost LA that title.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Perfect example...if West could have scored just three more points, LA would have won that game, and the series. What a "choker." Clearly, it was West who cost LA that title.

nope, West did everything. Wilt couldn't even make half his freethrows
pathetic, and you blame it on his teammates, even more pathetic

[-23-]

Not arguing with you, except that Howard will probably finish with the most DPOY's since the award existed. Of course, you can argue that this era's opposing centers have been less than stellar, to say the least.

Some might argue Wallace, too. Or Mutombo.

I don't know...what is your opinion?

The game is different now, it would be hard to compare Howard to past centers since he pretty much has the next few DPOY locked.

My list for centers are:

1. Russell
2. Thurmond
3. Hakeem
4. Wilt
5. KAJ
6. Ewing
7. Mutombo
8. Robinson/ T Duncan
9. Wallace/ Dwight

[jongib369]

[ArbitraryWater]

Perfect example...if West could have scored just three more points, LA would have won that game, and the series. What a "choker." Clearly, it was West who cost LA that title.

lmfao

[jongib369]

lmfao

Not sure what's more transparent, Supermans disguise as Clark Kent or Jlaubers as LAZERUSS

[LAZERUSS]

The game is different now, it would be hard to compare Howard to past centers since he pretty much has the next few DPOY locked.

My list for centers are:

1. Russell
2. Thurmond
3. Hakeem
4. Wilt
5. KAJ
6. Ewing
7. Mutombo
8. Robinson/ T Duncan
9. Wallace/ Dwight

Obviously, you are probably not aware of the fact that Wilt likely reduced his opposing HOF teams to the lowest FG%'s of their careers, and massively outshot all of them from the floor.

Or that Chamberlain has the two highest "non-Russell" DWS seasons in NBA history (and his '67 season, in which he dominated both offensively and defensively at his peak, was not one of them.)

Hakeem was routinely getting shelled by an OLD Kareem, Shaq, and even Robinson.

Chamberlain BADLY outplayed BOTH Thurmond and Russell. He held Thurmond to a .360 FG% in their CAREER H2H's, and Russell to a .382 FG% in their 143 CAREER H2H's. And outshot both of them by staggering margins.

He held a PEAK Kareem to a .464 FG% in their 28 CAREER H2H's, including a .434 FG% in their LAST TEN STRAIGHT games.

He in their known H2H's, he held Bellamy to over 10% BELOW his normal FG%'s.

In his LAST season, and covering six H2H's, he held a PRIME Lanier to a .374 FG%.

[DatAsh]

Obviously, you are probably not aware of the fact that Wilt likely reduced his opposing HOF teams to the lowest FG%'s of their careers, and massively outshot all of them from the floor.

Or that Chamberlain has the two highest "non-Russell" DWS seasons in NBA history (and his '67 season, in which he dominated both offensively and defensively at his peak, was not one of them.)

Hakeem was routinely getting shelled by an OLD Kareem, Shaq, and even Robinson.

Chamberlain BADLY outplayed BOTH Thurmond and Russell. He held Thurmond to a .360 FG% in their CAREER H2H's, and Russell to a .382 FG% in their 143 CAREER H2H's. And outshot both of them by staggering margins.

He held a PEAK Kareem to a .464 FG% in their 28 CAREER H2H's, including a .434 FG% in their LAST TEN STRAIGHT games.

He in their known H2H's, he held Bellamy to over 10% BELOW his normal FG%'s.

In his LAST season, and covering six H2H's, he held a PRIME Lanier to a .374 FG%.

He has Wilt ranked 4th all time. That seems pretty reasonable

I mean, you could argue him over Thurmond and Olajuwon(I wouldn't), but there's no need to attack the guy for having an opinion that's pretty down to earth.

[LAZERUSS]

He has Wilt ranked 4th all time. That seems pretty reasonable

I mean, you could argue him over Thurmond and Olajuwon(I wouldn't), but there's no need to attack the guy for having an opinion that's pretty down to earth.

You and I both know he has an anti-Wilt agenda.

And the facts are the facts. With the information we now have available, Chamberlain was not only DRAMATICALLY reducing his opposing HOF centers to just AWFUL FG%'s, he was CLEARLY the greatest "rim-protector" in NBA history, as well.

We know that a 36 year old Chamberlain averaged 5.4 bpg in his LAST season, and quite likely considerably more in his 17 post-season games. And we also KNOW that a PEAK Kareem averaged 3.5 bpg (and Thurmond was at 2.9 bpg BTW) the very next season.

Furthermore, the known research that is available has Wilt as the game's greatest shot-blocker, and by a huge margin. And even in his known H2H's with Russell, he just overwhelmed him in blocked shots.

I can see an argument for Russell, based on his TEAM's defensive numbers, but even then, Russell played with KC Jones, Satch Sanders, and John Havlicek, all three of whom were regarded as ELITE defenders in the decade of the 60's. Wilt played with a prime West for two seasons, and that was it as far as exceptional defensive teammates.

In fact, I would argue that a mid-60's Wilt was the equal of Russell, and past him up and pulled away each season after that.