Blasphemy Thread..How many of you think Russell > Shaq seriously?

[aj242]

Wilt was capable of lifting 500+, to be exact. Wilt was also faster, quicker, and more durable than Shaq.

Hold up now! Faster baseline to baseline yes. Quicker, I don't know about that. I think Shaq's second jump was quicker & I got his best or very good friend Sonny Hill of Philly's WIP 610 radio station to admit that. It was like pulling teeth but he agreed.

[rodman91]

GOAT ranking involve a combination of talent and accomplishments. And you can only judge players against their own generation, since everything else is pure speculation.


While I may think Shaq was a more dominant player, if we take career accomplishments into consideration, I can't rank Shaq over Russell.

But there were only 8 teams in those years. Celtics had 9 HOFs..even not that great ones are in HOF due to lack of great players and winning many titles.

Again, those were the years 50 ppg for a season happening.Oscar Robertson had 30 10 10 rookie season. Wilt & Russell were getting almost 30 boards every game.. There are reports they were blocking 10 shots per game.. Wilt was able to led league in assist just because he wanted to show he is not selfish.

He was one of the greatest player (Wilt has case for Goat in 60's) in primitive basketball.

Saying Russell accomplished more in his time is true.But saying GOAT center? over guys like Shaq or Hakeem..

Let's say he was better than prime Ben Wallace..Let's say he is more athletic,skilled Ben Wallace. Still is it that impressive to say best center ever?

[millwad]

But there were only 8 teams in those years. Celtics had 9 HOFs..even not that great ones are in HOF due to lack of great players and winning many titles.

Again, those were the years 50 ppg for a season happening.Oscar Robertson had 30 10 10 rookie season. Wilt & Russell were getting almost 30 boards every game.. There are reports they were blocking 10 shots per game.. Wilt was able to led league in assist just because he wanted to show he is not selfish.

He was one of the greatest player (Wilt has case for Goat in 60's) in primitive basketball.

Saying Russell accomplished more in his time is true.But saying GOAT center? over guys like Shaq or Hakeem..

Let's say he was better than prime Ben Wallace..Let's say he is more athletic,skilled Ben Wallace. Still is it that impressive to say best center ever?

THIS.

[NBAller]

According to his peers, Wilt was 7-2. Wilt could bench press 400lbs+.

What physical feats does Shaq have over Wilt?

is shaq laying down on wilts chest? no

is body weight = plate weight? no.

bench press is overrated

now you know.


also lol @ the guy who always posts articles and quotes from players in the 70s. Times have changed, the majority of players today>majority players then. Rules changed too.

prove me wrong whoever negged me.

[ThaRegul8r]

A wise man once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." So I think I'm going to leave the asylum to the inmates.

However, since I enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and exposing agendas, first I will point out the following quote:

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[catch24]

[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]A wise man once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." So I think I'm going to leave the asylum to the inmates.

However, since I enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and exposing agendas, first I will point out the following quote:



I'm sure everyone remembers that quote, yes? People on this forum often pulled it up to show that Shaq admitted Hakeem was better. So if that quote was often cited as proof, then the same people should also find the following quote illuminating:



And last year, Shaq again said Russell was

[rodman91]

[QUOTE=ThaRegul8r]A wise man once said, "Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you." So I think I'm going to leave the asylum to the inmates.

However, since I enjoy pointing out inconsistencies, fallacies in logic and exposing agendas, first I will point out the following quote:



I'm sure everyone remembers that quote, yes? People on this forum often pulled it up to show that Shaq admitted Hakeem was better. So if that quote was often cited as proof, then the same people should also find the following quote illuminating:



And last year, Shaq again said Russell was

[NBAller]

Shaq considers Kareem best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6622124

Besides thats Shaq.He loves to talk big. He even told Cavs were best team he has been on before

Yeah, I could say Thabeet's the best C. Doesn't necessarily mean that's my true thoughts.

[millwad]

Shaq considers Kareem best.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=6622124

Besides thats Shaq.He loves to talk big. He even told Cavs were best team he has been on before

THIS.

Shaq got a big mouth, nothing he says can be used as proof really. One day he is MDE and the day after that Yao Ming suddenly was the best center in the game.

Back to topic, Shaq vs. Russell is a no-contest *DING DING*! I rate players after legacy, accomplishments, accolades... AND SKILLSET.

[millwad]

Wilt was capable of lifting 500+, to be exact. Wilt was also faster, quicker, and more durable than Shaq.

Says Jlauber's own little buttyboy..

[MiseryCityTexas]

What makes you think he'd be 'much better'? I honestly believe Russell in todays league is nothing more then a similar Ben Wallace. I've not seen much video, I'll admit that much, but from what I have seen.. Russell was not very gifted offensively. Defensively - Ben Wallace has won the DPOY award.. so how much better would Russell actually be? Ben Wallace did most things right, as a defender.

nah man russell had that hook shot, and could score when he needed to.

[rodman91]

nah man russell had that hook shot, and could score when he needed to.

another myth.If he was able to score whenever he was able to he would do better than 15 ppg in 42 minutes.Let's say he didn't score because of team play.Then at least he would have late Wilt like FG%.But instead, he had 44% for career. That's even worse than most of guards today.

[Inception28]

another myth.If he was able to score whenever he was able to he would do better than 15 ppg in 42 minutes.Let's say he didn't score because of team play.Then at least he would have late Wilt like FG%.But instead, he had 44% for career. That's even worse than most of guards today.

Russell scored 20+ ppg in multiple playoff seasons, so yeah he was capable of scoring if he wanted or needed to.

[rodman91]

Russell scored 20+ ppg in multiple playoff seasons, so yeah he was capable of scoring if he wanted or needed to.

Only 2 playoffs of his career with 45%.. and played 48 minutes per game.

If he was reliable on score, he would score big time always.If he used less like late Wilt, he would have high FG%.

2 playoffs in 60's he was able to reach 20 ppg and he still had very poor % for center in 48 minutes per games. Especially when he was more athletic than his opponents.