Where does Barkley rank all-time?

[jlauber]

Top-15?

Maybe the greatest player to never win a ring?

[Round Mound]

In terms of Impact, Effiicency and Dominance Top 10 All Time

EFF Top 10 All Time
PER Season and Play-Offs Top 10-11 All Time
+/- Top 5 All Time
Shot Made/Missed Diferential Top 4 All Time
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes Top 8 All Time

Top 10

But some people value rings so maybe around Top 10-15

And Yes maybe he will end up as the 2nd if Lebron doesn`t win one

[Sarcastic]

In terms of Impact, Effiicency and Dominance Top 10 All Time

EFF Top 10 All Time
PER Season and Play-Offs Top 10-11 All Time
+/- Top 5 All Time
Shot Made/Missed Diferential Top 4 All Time
Win Shares Per 48 Minutes Top 8 All Time

Top 10

But some people value rings so maybe around Top 10-15

Who in the top 10 can you legitimately say he was better than?

[SuperPippen]

Second greatest PF ever.
At his peak, one of the best offensive rebounders ever, and a great rebounder overall.
Stretch of dominance was second only to MJ during their eras.
Great, efficient scorer.
One of the most exciting, memorable, unique and fun to watch players ever.
Primary reason for not winning a ring was because he simply had the rotten luck of peaking at the same time Michael Jordan did.


On my list, he's number 16.

[jlauber]

This is a tough one for me...

Russell, MJ, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Moses, West, Oscar, Dr. J, Robinson, KG, Havlicek, Pettit, Barry, Dirk, ...possibly K. Malone, and Baylor.

Probably missing someone (and no, I don't include Mikan for reasons I have given before.)

Barkley may have been more talented than several of those guys, though.

[eliteballer]

Barkley is one of the best offensive forces but he wasn't a factor defensively. He's probably around 20.

[Jacks3]

Certainly higher than Dork.

Probably top 15 ever.

[jlauber]

Certainly higher than Dork.

Probably top 15 ever.

What the hell is your problem???

[Round Mound]

Who in the top 10 can you legitimately say he was better than?

Very few.

- MJ
- Wilt
- Kareem
- Shaq
- Big 0
*Bird and Magic
*As All Round Players but not in terms if Impact

He is in the fight with Duncan, Baylor and Dr J somewhere a round there

[Round Mound]

This is a tough one for me...

Russell, MJ, Magic, Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Bird, Hakeem, Moses, West, Oscar, Dr. J, Robinson, KG, Havlicek, Pettit, Barry, Dirk, ...possibly K. Malone, and Baylor.

Probably missing someone (and no, I don't include Mikan for reasons I have given before.)

Barkley may have been more talented than several of those guys, though.

Malone wasnt better than Barkley don`t be dummy i have prooven this time after time

[SuperPippen]

Barkley is one of the best offensive forces but he wasn't a factor defensively. He's probably around 20.

The same can be said about Magic, Bird, and Erving, three players who are usually ahead of him on all-time lists.

[magnax1]

Around 20. He's a top 10 offensive player for sure, and probably a little higher then 20 peak, but his prime was pretty short. He wasn't the same to me at all after 93, and there were a couple years in philly where he didn't look 100% for whatever reason (91 and 92 specifically). Also, the fact that he continued to spot up for, and take 3 pointers always bugged me.
But I do really respect him. He was probably the second best player in the late 80's and early 90's, behind Jordan, and I'd even take him ahead of Magic most of those years.

[jlauber]

Malone wasnt better than Barkley don`t be dummy i have prooven this time after time

K. Malone? Yeah...I agree. I would take Barkley over him.

[eliteballer]

The same can be said about Magic, Bird, and Erving, three players who are usually ahead of him on all-time lists.

Actually no. Erving was considered a very good defender and those other two have intangibles Barkley didnt. IE playing five positions(Magic), better at creating their own shot(Bird), Passing and making guys better(both). Hell, Magic led the league in steals and Bird made some all-defensive teams.

Also, they couldnt be exploited like Barkley. Barkley was undersized at his position and because of that he was a weakness. Magic was switched off to two guards and 3's, while Bird at least had size to be a nuisance even if he didnt have the quicks.

[eliteballer]

Players with a career argument over Barkley:

Hakeem
Pippen
Shaq
Jordan
Isiah
Bird
Karl Malone
Moses Malone
Havlicek
Russell
Oscar
Chamberlain
Kobe
Pettit
LeBron
Robinson
Garnett
Baylor
Duncan
Dirk
Kareem
Rick Barry


I'm sure I'm missing a guy or two and then theres others who come in strictly if Prime is concerned.