Kobe Bryant vs Michael Jordan Career 2 Point FG%...

[imlmf]

it must sucks to be a kobe fan, he ain't never going to be in the same league as the GOAT

[LebronairJAMES]

From age 21(Though Jordan turned 22 midway through his rookie year)

Kobe: 7518-15528: 48%

Jordan: 11611-22795: 51%

Kobe takes more 3's because he can make them better and it adds another dimension to confuse the D, and also because 1 on 1 isos are more difficult.

Considering how close that is when Jordan played most of his career(up to 96) in an era where high FG%'s were far more common and easier to obtain(Barkley shooting 60% for example)...well lets just say the efficiency argument goes right out the window.

[Collie]

Remove those 2 MJ Wizard years if you're not gonna count Kobe's first 2 years as well. And oh, add the probability when Kobe is shooting below 45% in his mid to late 30's.

[DJ Leon Smith]

Your stupidity is astounding. Kobe came in at age 18 from High School onto a contender and Jordan came in at age 21/22 after North Carolina on a lottery team.

Shouldn't Kobe have a far higher percentage then? Jordan was the only good player on terrible Bulls teams for years and had to take a ton of shots, Kobe had the advantage of playing with MVPs who created space for him from day one in the league.

Don't worry, I'll wait for your next "BETWEEN THE AGES OF 24.5 AND 25.1 ON WEDNESDAYS IN GAMES THAT STARTED AFTER 8PM KOBE SHOOTS ONLY 1% WORSE THAN JORDAN WHO PLAYED IN A WEAK ERA BECAUSE ONLY ONE PERSON WON ALL THOSE FINAL MVPS SO THEREFORE KOBE IS BETTER" thread.

[RRR3]

Shouldn't Kobe have a far higher percentage then? Jordan was the only good player on terrible Bulls teams for years and had to take a ton of shots, Kobe had the advantage of playing with MVPs who created space for him from day one in the league.

Don't worry, I'll wait for your next "BETWEEN THE AGES OF 24.5 AND 25.1 ON WEDNESDAYS IN GAMES THAT STARTED AFTER 8PM KOBE SHOOTS ONLY 1% WORSE THAN JORDAN WHO PLAYED IN A WEAK ERA BECAUSE ONLY ONE PERSON WON ALL THOSE FINAL MVPS SO THEREFORE KOBE IS BETTER" thread.

[GiveItToBurrito]

Kobe doesn't have three or four years of playing in his late 30s weighing him down. If you think he's going to play at his current level in five years you're completely out of your mind.

[GiveItToBurrito]

it must sucks to be a kobe fan, he ain't never going to be in the same league as the GOAT

Even worse, all of these weakly argued threads saying he's as good or better devalue him. Like, John Wall's a great young point guard, but if there were a dozen threads a day saying that he's better than Magic Johnson, he would look a lot worse than he is.

[guy]

Just an fyi, shooting 35% from three is the same as 50% from two. There's no way 18 footers are higher percentage..... The only thing is that not standing on the 3pt line allows for a chance of a real high % shot inside the paint and it makes rebounds a little easier.

IE 35/100 produces 105 points on 35% from three... Where as 50/100 from 2 produces 100 points on 50%. I think the future of the NBA will be a lot more 3 pt oriented.

Too bad that doesn't tell the whole story. It bails out defenses, results in longer rebounds which result in better transition opportunities, and the significantly more missed shots gives them significantly more transition opportunities in general. And when superstar players like Kobe and Lebron take alot of 3s its usually not from alot of ball movement, which takes the rest of the team out of rhythm and enables defenses to rest more. And also, although it wouldn't show up in these numbers, 2-point attempts are also obviously way more likely to result in free throw opportunities. Thats another reason why 2-point attempts are still way more efficient then 3-point attempts despite whatever advanced statistics say, and its another reason why Jordan was considerably more efficient then Kobe.

[gotbacon23]

Considering how close that is when Jordan played most of his career(up to 96) in an era where high FG%'s were far more common and easier to obtain(Barkley shooting 60% for example)...well lets just say the efficiency argument goes right out the window.

This is complete BS.

league average eFG% by season:

2010-11: 49.8%
2009-10: 50.1%
2008-09: 50.0%
2007-08: 49.7%
2006-07: 49.6%
2005-06: 49.0%
2004-05: 48.2%
2003-04: 47.1%
2002-03: 47.4%
2001-02: 47.7%
2000-01: 47.3%
1999-00: 47.8%
1998-99: 46.6%
1997-98: 47.8%
1996-97: 49.3%
1995-96: 49.9%
1994-95: 50.0%
1993-94: 48.5%
1992-93: 49.1%
1991-92: 48.7%
1990-91: 48.7%
1989-90: 48.9%
1988-89: 48.9%
1987-88: 48.9%
1986-87: 48.8%
1985-86: 49.3%
1984-85: 49.6%
Average 1984-2011: 48.8%

League Average eFG% during Jordan's Career: 48.9%
(average of 1984-85 season through 1992-93 season, 1994-95 season through 1997-98 season, 2001-02 season and 2002-03 season)

League Average eFG% "up until '96": 49.1%

League Average eFG% during Kobe's Career: 48.5%

MJ's eFG% (career): 50.9%
Kobe's eFG% (career): 48.8%

As you can see, on average eFG% has barely moved at all since 1984-85


The reason overall FG% has gone down is because significantly more threes are being taken. For example, in 1984-85 the TEAM leader in 3's was the Dallas Mavericks, making 152 threes on the season on 443 attempts. Only 5 TEAMS made 100+ threes that year. By comparison, Dorrel Wright made 194 threes himself this pasts eason and 59 PLAYERS made 100+ threes this past season. That's not a product of trying to "confuse" the defense, its just that most people born in the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s who played in the 1980s and 1990s never played with a 3 point line their entire lives until it was introduced in the NBA in 1979-80 sans some ABA players and some years they had it in college bball and some they didn't.

So you obviously can't compare fg%s (which you did when you brought up Barkley) but eFG% is more relevant and, as you can see, that has not changed much over the years.

Barkley shot 60% cause he was a beast, not because it was "easier".

[LBJDWADE63]

stop comparing kobe to Jordan.

6 FMVP >>> 2 FMVP

****ing trolls

[97 bulls]

Kobes always been said to have a clear advantage in 3pt shooting but in actuality, kobe shoots 34% to jordans 33%.

And for those people who turn to the shortenend 3pt line, don't forget the league changed rules in order to make it easier for bryant to score.

[chips93]

Too bad that doesn't tell the whole story. It bails out defenses, results in longer rebounds which result in better transition opportunities, and the significantly more missed shots gives them significantly more transition opportunities in general. And when superstar players like Kobe and Lebron take alot of 3s its usually not from alot of ball movement, which takes the rest of the team out of rhythm and enables defenses to rest more. And also, although it wouldn't show up in these numbers, 2-point attempts are also obviously way more likely to result in free throw opportunities. Thats another reason why 2-point attempts are still way more efficient then 3-point attempts despite whatever advanced statistics say, and its another reason why Jordan was considerably more efficient then Kobe.

good post

also, 2pt fga lead to more offensive rebounding opportunities. 2pt fga are more commonly rebounded by the offense thatn 3pt fgas.

Kobes always been said to have a clear advantage in 3pt shooting but in actuality, kobe shoots 34% to jordans 33%.

kobe forces more 3pt shots. kobe is clearly the better 3pt shooter.

lebron shoots 45% on long 2pt jumpers, kobe shoots 38%, dont try to tell me kobe isnt a better mid range jumpshooter than bron.

teams knew that they could give jordan the 3pt shot, teams dont give kobe that same space on 3pt shots, so kobe's are more difficult. kobe is clearly the superior 3pt shooter.

And for those people who turn to the shortened 3pt line, don't forget the league changed rules in order to make it easier for bryant to score.

conspiracy theories

mj fans shouldnt be so insecure, your favorite player is better, why make up the bs excuses?

[tontoz]

From age 21(Though Jordan turned 22 midway through his rookie year)

Kobe: 7518-15528: 48%

Jordan: 11611-22795: 51%

Kobe takes more 3's because he can make them better and it adds another dimension to confuse the D, and also because 1 on 1 isos are more difficult.

Considering how close that is when Jordan played most of his career(up to 96) in an era where high FG%'s were far more common and easier to obtain(Barkley shooting 60% for example)...well lets just say the efficiency argument goes right out the window.

Kobe takes a lot of 3s because he has bad shot selection. He is not that good from 3.

How exactly are iso's more difficult since handchecking is against the rules?

Lebron and Wade don't have any problem shooting 50% from the field in this era.

[andgar923]

Kobe takes a lot of 3s because he has bad shot selection. He is not that good from 3.

How exactly are iso's more difficult since handchecking is against the rules?

Lebron and Wade don't have any problem shooting 50% from the field in this era.

And just to add another tidbit of info....

Kobe's fg% has either increased slightly or remained the same for a few key reasons:

He's taking less 3s
He's posting up more
Gasol, Bynum, Odom

[chips93]

Kobe takes a lot of 3s because he has bad shot selection. He is not that good from 3.

kobe is technically more efficeint statistically speaking from 3, than from 2.

think about it, you only have to shoot 33% from deep, to equate to 50% on 2s.

kobe scored about 0.97 points per 3pt attempt last year, but only 0.9 points per 2pt attempt last year.

this is of course ignore all of the advantages of shooting shots at the rim that guy pointed out