Wait, Magic Johnson actually did

[Jasi]

You guys still don't consider the fact that Magic and Kobe were rookies when they made these "decisions".
They were not a Superstar with 7 years as the franchise player.

Can we please all agree that there is a HUGE difference between choosing your FIRST team in the league, and abandoning your franchise after 7 years?

I'm not saying here that one is good and the other is bad, just that they are DIFFERENT situations. Therefore, the comparison is moot and this whole thread misses the point.
Either you recognise that, or you're trolling.

[bdreason]

You guys still don't consider the fact that Magic and Kobe were rookies when they made these "decisions".
They were not a Superstar with 7 years as the franchise player.

Can we please all agree that there is a HUGE difference between choosing your FIRST team in the league, and abandoning your franchise after 7 years?

I'm not saying here that one is good and the other is bad, just that they are DIFFERENT situations. Therefore, the comparison is moot and this whole thread misses the point.
Either you recognise that, or you're trolling.

Different situations. Same inherent goal. To get on a team you think can win with.


Magic and Kobe forced their way on to a great Franchise. LeBron, as a Free Agent, chose to try and build a great Franchise in Miami.

[RazorBaLade]

Different situations. Same inherent goal. To get on a team you think can win with.


Magic and Kobe forced their way on to a great Franchise. LeBron, as a Free Agent, chose to try and build a great Franchise in Miami.

kill a terrible pedophile rapist and murderer, or kill someone for looking at you wrong

different situations, same goal right? so they are the same?

[All Net]

kill a terrible pedophile rapist and murderer, or kill someone for looking at you wrong

different situations, same goal right? so they are the same?

[Doranku]

The hypocrisy of DMavs is astounding. This is the dude who has repeatedly slammed Kobe for his play in the 2008 finals, saying he "underachieved" with the team he had. Yet here he's saying it's not a big deal that the Heat didn't win the title because it was their first year together.

Uhh.. Kobe and Gasol didn't even play together for half of a year. Why don't you ever bring that up? They also lost to a team in the finals who won 9 more games in the regular season and had HCA. Remind me who had HCA between Miami/Dallas? Not to mention that Celtics team was MUCH better than the Mavericks who people (including yourself) thought had a very good chance of losing to Portland in the first round.

Going more in depth, you want to talk about injuries and blah blah blah. So soon to forget that LA was without their starting Center AND small forward in the finals? At least Miller and Haslem played for the majority of the playoffs...

Sure, Kobe played bad in the finals. If he would have performed like he had against the Western Conference, they definitely could have won the series. But let's not act like LA was a superior team to Boston like Miami was to Dallas. It's not even close. Boston's defense in '08 was worlds better than the '11 Mavericks' defense, yet LeBron was the one posting 8 point games.

You can't even play the, "oh, well Kobe blew a 24 point halftime lead!!!" card. LeBron blew a f*cking 15 point lead with 7 minutes left in the game. That's even worse!

So please, stop with your double standards. If Kobe and the Lakers "underachieved" in '08, then the entire Heat roster should be pegged as gigantic failures for this past season.

[pegasus]

The hypocrisy of DMavs is astounding. This is the dude who has repeatedly slammed Kobe for his play in the 2008 finals, saying he "underachieved" with the team he had. Yet here he's saying it's not a big deal that the Heat didn't win the title because it was their first year together.

Uhh.. Kobe and Gasol didn't even play together for half of a year. Why don't you ever bring that up? They also lost to a team in the finals who won 9 more games in the regular season and had HCA. Remind me who had HCA between Miami/Dallas? Not to mention that Celtics team was MUCH better than the Mavericks who people (including yourself) thought had a very good chance of losing to Portland in the first round.

Going more in depth, you want to talk about injuries and blah blah blah. So soon to forget that LA was without their starting Center AND small forward in the finals? At least Miller and Haslem played for the majority of the playoffs...

Sure, Kobe played bad in the finals. If he would have performed like he had against the Western Conference, they definitely could have won the series. But let's not act like LA was a superior team to Boston like Miami was to Dallas. It's not even close. Boston's defense in '08 was worlds better than the '11 Mavericks' defense, yet LeBron was the one posting 8 point games.

You can't even play the, "oh, well Kobe blew a 24 point halftime lead!!!" card. LeBron blew a f*cking 15 point lead with 7 minutes left in the game. That's even worse!

So please, stop with your double standards. If Kobe and the Lakers "underachieved" in '08, then the entire Heat roster should be pegged as gigantic failures for this past season.

DMAVS (aka ginobili) gets exposed yet again.

[LBJ 23]

You can't even play the, "oh, well Kobe blew a 24 point halftime lead!!!" card. LeBron blew a f*cking 15 point lead with 7 minutes left in the game. That's even worse!

So please, stop with your double standards.

Aren't you one of those who are saying that Wade is better than Lebron and that Wade is Miami's best player/first option? So, shouldn't you be saying that Wade blew a f*ucking 15 point lead with 7 minutes left in the game. Ussually it's team's best player accountable for this, in Lakers case it was Kobe(not Gasol) and in Miami case it should be Wade. But you are attacking Lebron, the second fiddle, why?

Because you also like to use double standards.


Either admit that Lebron is the best player and the most important player on the Heat and then critize him as much as you want and rightfully so, I'm not defending him. He did f*ck up in the Finals and he did cost Miami a championship. But, please, you and all others who say the same shit please stop, all year you were saying how Wade is better than Lebron and how Wade is 1. option and Lebron is 2. or even third option(a lot of your Kobefan friends said this) on the Heat and now after the Finals you attack and critize him as if he would be distant best player and first option on the Heat.

So either:

-admit that Lebron is the best player on the team-------------->critize him as much as the best player deserves

-Claim that se is 2. or even 3. option on the team----------->critize him as much as 2. or 3. option deserves.


But you certainly can't say that he is 2. or 3. option on the team and at the same time critize him as much as team's best and most important player deserves. And that's excatly what you and a lot of your Kobe friends are doing.

[kaiiu]

The hypocrisy of DMavs is astounding. This is the dude who has repeatedly slammed Kobe for his play in the 2008 finals, saying he "underachieved" with the team he had. Yet here he's saying it's not a big deal that the Heat didn't win the title because it was their first year together.

Uhh.. Kobe and Gasol didn't even play together for half of a year. Why don't you ever bring that up? They also lost to a team in the finals who won 9 more games in the regular season and had HCA. Remind me who had HCA between Miami/Dallas? Not to mention that Celtics team was MUCH better than the Mavericks who people (including yourself) thought had a very good chance of losing to Portland in the first round.

Going more in depth, you want to talk about injuries and blah blah blah. So soon to forget that LA was without their starting Center AND small forward in the finals? At least Miller and Haslem played for the majority of the playoffs...

Sure, Kobe played bad in the finals. If he would have performed like he had against the Western Conference, they definitely could have won the series. But let's not act like LA was a superior team to Boston like Miami was to Dallas. It's not even close. Boston's defense in '08 was worlds better than the '11 Mavericks' defense, yet LeBron was the one posting 8 point games.

You can't even play the, "oh, well Kobe blew a 24 point halftime lead!!!" card. LeBron blew a f*cking 15 point lead with 7 minutes left in the game. That's even worse!

So please, stop with your double standards. If Kobe and the Lakers "underachieved" in '08, then the entire Heat roster should be pegged as gigantic failures for this past season.

preach this shit boiiiiiii

[Doranku]

Aren't you one of those who are saying that Wade is better than Lebron and that Wade is Miami's best player/first option? So, shouldn't you be saying that Wade blew a f*ucking 15 point lead with 7 minutes left in the game. Ussually it's team's best player accountable for this, in Lakers case it was Kobe(not Gasol) and in Miami case it should be Wade. But you are attacking Lebron, the second fiddle, why?

Because you also like to use double standards.


Either admit that Lebron is the best player and the most important player on the Heat and then critize him as much as you want and rightfully so, I'm not defending him. He did f*ck up in the Finals and he did cost Miami a championship. But, please, you and all others who say the same shit please stop, all year you were saying how Wade is better than Lebron and how Wade is 1. option and Lebron is 2. or even third option(a lot of your Kobefan friends said this) on the Heat and now after the Finals you attack and critize him as if he would be distant best player and first option on the Heat.

So either:

-admit that Lebron is the best player on the team-------------->critize him as much as the best player deserves

-Claim that se is 2. or even 3. option on the team----------->critize him as much as 2. or 3. option deserves.


But you certainly can't say that he is 2. or 3. option on the team and at the same time critize him as much as team's best and most important player deserves. And that's excatly what you and a lot of your Kobe friends are doing.

Wade, imo, is the best player on the Heat. However, it's more of a 1A/1B type situation. In '02-03 and '03-04, Kobe gets plenty of blame for the Lakers' losses to the Spurs and Pistons (especially the Pistons). Yet, you Kobe haters all claim that Shaq was clearly the first banana on the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

I don't see a contradiction or double standard here. LeBron, like Kobe during those years, was a huge piece to the Miami Heat. Moreso than the average second best player. Not everything is black and white like you're making it out to be. Kobe rightfully gets a lot of the blame placed on his shoulders for what transpired against the Pistons in '04 just as LeBron is catching plenty of flak for the 2011 Finals.

You want to know why people aren't blaming Wade for Miami's collapse? Because he was phenomenal. Do you ever see Shaq being chastised for his performance against the Pistons? No, because he also played great.

[LBJ 23]

Wade, imo, is the best player on the Heat. However, it's more of a 1A/1B type situation. In '02-03 and '03-04, Kobe gets plenty of blame for the Lakers' losses to the Spurs and Pistons (especially the Pistons). Yet, they Kobe haters all claim that Shaq was clearly the first banana on the Shaq/Kobe Lakers.

I don't see a contradiction or double standard here. LeBron, like Kobe during those years, was a huge piece to the Miami Heat. Moreso than the average second best player. Not everything is black and white like you're making it out to be. Kobe rightfully gets a lot of the blame placed on his shoulders for what transpired against the Pistons in '04 just as LeBron is catching plenty of flak for the 2011 Finals.

You want to know why people aren't blaming Wade for Miami's collapse? Because he was phenomenal. Do you ever see Shaq being chastised for his performance against the Pistons? No, because he also played great.

Ok. Fair enough, just one correction.

[Kellogs4toniee]

Why is this man not perm-banned yet is beyond me.

[pauk]

Ok. Fair enough, just one correction.

lol thats not fair enough....

wade is not better than lebron... and he never was... as a talent or as a career... majority of fans (unbiased fans), sports writers, announcers, players, coaches, legends and so on will tell you so....

the gap is not MAJOR, but there is a edge... and that edge leans towards Lebrons side.... its easy to see if you research and compare all the Lebron/Wade facts carefully.....

Its so annoying how fans cant LIVE with their favorite player not being the best.... just because he is your favorite player doesnt mean he must be best.... try be a bit unbiased for gods sake... Wade is not better than Lebron.... one thing i loved about Lebron & Wade teaming up is that Lebron would now be forcing biased Wade fans to see why Lebron is better every single day.... and he has showed them who was better the entire year.... lets not forget that.... 2-3 bad scoring games against the Mavs wont change that.... sorry...

and you know what.. Lebron is younger, much more consistant and much more durable aswell just heading into his prime and only getting better.... compared to Wade who is about to get out of his prime and is inconsistant and injury proned..... dont get your hopes up for the future to much about Wade getting any better...

by the way... excellent post above LBJ23....

[juju151111]

[Simple Jack]

So giving your all to a franchise for 7 years before deciding a change needs to be made is worse than making demands, as a rookie who has yet to be drafted, as if you're entitled to deciding where you're going to play?