Kobe's all-time rank....

[All Net]

I have Kobe about 7th or 8th right now all time but some of his finals performances have hurt him abit in terms of the all time greats. He's had two great series, one pretty good one and a bunch of average ones. That is what separates him from the top 3-5. Still depends how he finishes his career he can still climb up a little

[millwad]

I have Kobe about 7th or 8th right now all time but some of his finals performances have hurt him abit in terms of the all time greats. He's had two great series, one pretty good one and a bunch of average ones. That is what separates him from the top 3-5. Still depends how he finishes his career he can still climb up a little

I have Kobe around top 10 but top 3-5 is not a rank he deserves. A top 3 or top 5 guy ever isn't a place deserved by the 2nd best player on his team during 3 championshipruns.

[Heavincent]

It was a huge difference. You'll notice that people here had Kobe around 8 to 10 before last year. After winning another title and another finals MVP? People have him in the exact same spot. Simply because he played an average series yet again and then came up really small in one of the biggest games of his career.

But a lot of people on here are idiots and don't know what they're talking about. Lets listen to someone who has a credible opinion like Charles Barkley.

Charles Barkley in 09: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQkYxfenDHA

Barkley in November of 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmhzDca63yg

[DMAVS41]

But a lot of people on here are idiots and don't know what they're talking about. Lets listen to someone who has a credible opinion like Charles Barkley.

Charles Barkley in 09: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQkYxfenDHA

Barkley in November of 2010: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmhzDca63yg

Didn't Barkley rank Oscar Robertson 2nd all time? Not sure that is very credible as there is really no way you can argue that at all.

Sorry, Kobe really has no argument in the top 5 all time.

[Heavincent]

Sorry, Kobe really has no argument in the top 5 all time.

Sure he does. Personally, I have him at either 6 or 7. But putting Kobe at #5 isn't far-fetched or crazy.

Barkley knows his shit, and he's not a "what have you done for me lately?" type of guy.

[STATUTORY]

Sorry, Kobe really has no argument in the top 5 all time.

i like how you state that like fact. trolling 101

[DMAVS41]

i like how you state that like fact. trolling 101

Well, I didn't state it as a fact. I said he doesn't have much of an argument. Which is just true.

There are no facts in player rankings. I could rank Duncan as the GOAT and nobody can factually say I'm wrong.

I personally feel Kobe is not a top 5 player and I don't the arguments you would use to put him in the top 5 would stand up to scrutiny.

[Heavincent]

Well, I didn't state it as a fact. I said he doesn't have much of an argument. Which is just true.

There are no facts in player rankings. I could rank Duncan as the GOAT and nobody can factually say I'm wrong.

I personally feel Kobe is not a top 5 player and I don't the arguments you would use to put him in the top 5 would stand up to scrutiny.

When you look at what he has accomplished in his career, he absolutely has a case for top 5.

[DMAVS41]

When you look at what he has accomplished in his career, he absolutely has a case for top 5.

I disagree.

I don't really understand the logic of ranking Kobe over:

MJ
Russell
Wilt
Kareem
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem

It depends on how you rank players and what you value to a certain extent.

But what is the case? Would you pick Kobe over any of the above players to start a franchise? I highly doubt it.

[Odinn]

When you look at what he has accomplished in his career, he absolutely has a case for top 5.

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt

Top 6 is done. Kobe's resume doesn't have a case for top 5.

[catch24]

When you look at what he has accomplished in his career, he absolutely has a case for top 5.

When you put individual play and accomplishments into perspective, Kobe really has no case over Magic, Wilt, Russell, Jabbar or Jordan.

[necya]

But a lot of people on here are idiots and don't know what they're talking about.

i feel the same when i read your posts.

this forum will be interesting when people will learn the history of basketball (stop saying kobe put 55pts on MJ for exemple, kobe put 55 on the wizards would be more accurate...) then stop using statistics to compare players and finally view this sport as what he has alalways been, a TEAM sport.

there are a few of (very) good posters here with strong knowledges and objectivity, but unfortunately they don't post often... thing i understand though.

[pauk]

1 jordan
2 wilt
3 kareem
4 russell
5 bird
6 shaq
7 magic
8 oscar
9 hakeem
10 duncan
11 jerry west
12 julius erving
13 john havlicek
14 kobe bryant <---------

thats where he belongs right now.... if he wasnt a 2nd fiddle and didnt get everything handed to him on a silverplate in his 3 first championships by Shaq......... then he would probably be top 10 easily

[Heavincent]

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt

Top 6 is done. Kobe's resume doesn't have a case for top 5.

I have a tough time determining who is better between Kobe and Bird. That's why I said 6 OR 7. It's just very, very close IMO.

I don't understand this forum. People put Kobe between 8-10, but then they think I'm crazy when I put him at 6 or 7.

[pauk]

Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Bird
Russell
Wilt
shaq
duncan
hakeem
oscar
jerry west
julius erving

Top 12 is done. Kobe's resume doesn't have a case for top 12.

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