Kobe is a Chucker?

[Christofire]

Jordan's 2 point percentage is significantly higher as well.

Jordan played closer to the basket than Kobe, Kobe is more of a jumpshooter than jordan was, hence why people feel as though wade is more comparable to jordan.

[madmax]

Kobe aint my Idol.....Dwyane wade is my favorite player.

Noone cares howgood you were/are if you didn't win when given your opportunities. James had several opportunities and failed each time. He will always be remembered as that ultra talented guy that shrun kwhen the game was in the balance.

You can say whatever you want about Bryant, but without him the lakers would have no titles in this decade.

Bryant having stacked teams are nothing but a muth. if you take a look at the last 2 champion rosters you'd see 2 allstars and a weak bench.

The point you missing here is that Lebron didn't shrunk or fail with his own play in the past - he was (and still is) the best 4th quarter scorer in the league, and to blame him for his teammates shortcomings is a bit stupid to say the least.
Just because Kobe's teammates come through in the clutch and bail him out with timely rebounds or buzzer beaters all the time, doesn't credit him as a player one bit. It just means that he has the most stacked team - simple as that. There's no need to spew bullshit like "he is willing his teammates" to play better, because this argument only works then those aformentioned players are good and talented enough to step it up. Nobody can make a scrub to play like an All-Star if he doesn't have what it takes. It's all perception and myth from media and blindfolded fans, who want to romanticize everything Bryant does.

[Christofire]

The point you missing here is that Lebron didn't shrunk or fail with his own play in the past - he was (and still is) the best 4th quarter scorer in the league, and to blame him for his teammates shortcomings is a bit stupid to say the least.
Just because Kobe's teammates come through in the clutch and bail him out with timely rebounds or buzzer beaters all the time, doesn't credit him as a player one bit. It just means that he has the most stacked team - simple as that. There's no need to spew bullshit like "he is willing his teammates" to play better, because this argument only works then those aformentioned players are good and talented enough to step it up. Nobody can make a scrub to play like an All-Star if he doesn't have what it takes. It's all perception and myth from media and blindfolded fans, who want to romanticize everything Bryant does.

he quit...no excuses..the guy flat out quit. Best record in the league two seasons in a row and he choked. There is no room for excuses. we hear all year long how he makes players better and he has the best team. Well He choked and he quit. I don't want to hear the excuses, James is a black hole that sucks the productivity out of nearly every player you put on the side of him with his methonds of ball domination and stat monguering. If he's as Good as you people love to advertise then he would have proven it by now and he would not have packed up and ran to go play alongside a top 3 player in the league. The best player in the league doesn't get recruited by another star, the other star gets recruit to play along side him.

Save you excuses. Kobe doesn't leave room for excuses he puts up or shuts up. james may trump him in talent, but this league comes downn to winning and losing and i want the guy that will pour his heart and soul into playing to win.. Jordan did it, Kobe did it, Pierce did it, and it payed off. Talent only gets you so far.

[Brook(lyn)Lopez]

he quit...no excuses..the guy flat out quit. Best record in the league two seasons in a row and he choked. There is no room for excuses. we here all year long how he makes players better and he has the best team. Well He choked and he quit. I don't want to here the excuses, James is a black hole the that sucks the productivity out of nearly every player you put on the side of him with his methonds of ball domination and stat monguering. If he's as Good as you people love to advertise then he would have proven it by now and he would not have packed up and ran to go play alongside a top 3 player in the league. The best player in the league doesn't get recruited by another star, they other star gets recruit to play along side you.

Save you excuses. Kobe doesn't leave room for excuses he puts up or shuts up. james may trump him in talent, but this league comes downn to winning and losing and i want the guy will pour his heart and soul into playing to win.. Jordan did it, Kobe did it, Pierce did it, and it payed off. Talent only gets you so far.

And talent only took Kobe so far. That's why he's needed all star big men to piggy back on to get his championships, and so he can chuck to his heart's content.

[Christofire]

The point you missing here is that Lebron didn't shrunk or fail with his own play in the past - he was (and still is) the best 4th quarter scorer in the league, and to blame him for his teammates shortcomings is a bit stupid to say the least.
Just because Kobe's teammates come through in the clutch and bail him out with timely rebounds or buzzer beaters all the time, doesn't credit him as a player one bit. It just means that he has the most stacked team - simple as that. There's no need to spew bullshit like "he is willing his teammates" to play better, because this argument only works then those aformentioned players are good and talented enough to step it up. Nobody can make a scrub to play like an All-Star if he doesn't have what it takes. It's all perception and myth from media and blindfolded fans, who want to romanticize everything Bryant does.

most stacked team?......please take a close look at the last 2 championship laker rosters then subtract the injured and ineffective andrew Bynum from it. If those rosters are your definition of stacked then you neeed to have your head checked

[Christofire]

And talent only took Kobe so far. That's why he's needed all star big men to piggy back on to get his championships, and so he can chuck to his heart's content.

James had All-star jamison...a 20-10 guy atleast until he played with LeBron

[madmax]

James had All-star jamison...a 20-10 guy atleast until he played with LeBron

more BS...James had an old washed up version of Jamison, who didn't know that word "defense" means. KG made him his own ***** in the playoffs and ultimately decided the outcome of those series. Not to mention another has-been Shaq was out of shape and blowing wide open layups from Lebron's assists. That was Lebron's "help" for most of his career in Cleveland

[Christofire]

2008-2009 Lakers Roster


5 Jordan Farmar
2 Derek Fisher
9 Sun Yue
12 Shannon Brown
24 Kobe Bryant
18 Sasha Vujacic
3 Trevor Ariza
6 Adam Morrison
4 Luke Walton
7 Lamar Odom
21 Josh Powell
16 Pau Gasol
17 Andrew Bynum
28 DJ Mbenga


tell the truth and shame the devil. Do you honestly feel as though that that is a stacked roster?

[Christofire]

more BS...James had an old washed up version of Jamison, who didn't know that word "defense" means. KG made him his own ***** in the playoffs and ultimately decided the outcome of those series. Not to mention another has-been Shaq was out of shape and blowing wide open layups from Lebron's assists. That was Lebron's "help" for most of his career in Cleveland

the same jamison who was averagin 20pts and 8 rebs prior to the trade through 41 games?.....The same jamison at that time whom was touted as one of the most versatile PFs in the game. the same Jamison that James siad he wanted...I dont find it to be a coincidence that every player mircaulously looks to be "washed up as soon as they play with leBron.

[Christofire]

more BS...James had an old washed up version of Jamison, who didn't know that word "defense" means. KG made him his own ***** in the playoffs and ultimately decided the outcome of those series. Not to mention another has-been Shaq was out of shape and blowing wide open layups from Lebron's assists. That was Lebron's "help" for most of his career in Cleveland

So how did he manage to carry an inferior team to the finals in 07 but couldnt do it when his team got better in the 2 following seasons?....Is it that he was a better player in 07 than he was in 08 and 09?.....

[DMAVS41]

2008-2009 Lakers Roster


5 Jordan Farmar
2 Derek Fisher
9 Sun Yue
12 Shannon Brown
24 Kobe Bryant
18 Sasha Vujacic
3 Trevor Ariza
6 Adam Morrison
4 Luke Walton
7 Lamar Odom
21 Josh Powell
16 Pau Gasol
17 Andrew Bynum
28 DJ Mbenga


tell the truth and shame the devil. Do you honestly feel as though that that is a stacked roster?

Compared to the league in 09? Absolutely. KG was hurt. It was definitely better than the Nuggets and Cavs. The Magic roster was close, but not that close because the Magic only had one elite player.

LOL....two top 15 players. The best sixth man in the league in odom ( a top 25 player in his own right). The best coach ever.

Find me another roster that can match that in 09 please. Thanks.

[DMAVS41]

So how did he manage to carry an inferior team to the finals in 07 but couldnt do it when his team got better in the 2 following seasons?....Is it that he was a better player in 07 than he was in 08 and 09?.....

Weaker competition.

And actually I personally think that 07 team was better built to win in the playoffs than the 10 team for sure.

The 09 Cavs were actually very very good. Not as stacked as the Lakers, but they were very good. However, the role players choked and couldn't get it done while the Magic played great. That is the problem with putting it all on one player.

Lebron's series against the Magic is one of the best playoff series ever. Yet we are to blame him for the loss. Seriously?

[RazorBaLade]

How is he not a chucker? How many other players in the history of the game have so many 6-24 and 8-30 type of games, when it is clear they can't buy a basket that day? That is a definition of ballhog and brickmaster, deal with it Kome stans

when jordan was 9-34 "that" game, should he not have shot?

[Poochymama]

People love to point at the fact that players shot less 3s back then as the reason why FG %s were higher, but love to dismiss that fact when comparing kobe's FG% to Jordan's

Jordan's fg% is still higher even after accounting for 3's.

[Christofire]

Compared to the league in 09? Absolutely. KG was hurt. It was definitely better than the Nuggets and Cavs. The Magic roster was close, but not that close because the Magic only had one elite player.

LOL....two top 15 players. The best sixth man in the league in odom ( a top 25 player in his own right). The best coach ever.

Find me another roster that can match that in 09 please. Thanks.

OMG D-Mavs41.....are you telling me taht a bench consisting of luke walton, adam morrission, sasha vujacic, Unga Bunga, and Josh powel is stacked team?....with bynum being hurt!!, and odom having a bad year? come on man, i know you hate Kobe, but come on dude, there is no way that Roster qualifies as stacked. That was arguably the worst bench in basketball, even with odom on it. Derek Fisher was their starting PG....come on man, be realistic.




5 Jordan Farmar
2 Derek Fisher
9 Sun Yue
12 Shannon Brown
24 Kobe Bryant
18 Sasha Vujacic
3 Trevor Ariza
6 Adam Morrison
4 Luke Walton
7 Lamar Odom
21 Josh Powell
16 Pau Gasol
17 Andrew Bynum
28 DJ Mbenga