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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by griffmoney1784
biggest finals upset
biggest playoff upset was warriors over mavs 1st round
and btw its funny how kobes the leader whenever the lakers lost in the last 15 years. but never the leader when the lakers won
fact is kobe was the 1st option from 2001 on
look at the FGA's... shaq was the #1 option only from 1996-2000
finals mvps are only for 1 series. kobe was mvp for the important series
wow....
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
This crap doesn't work on me. Does this tell us how many times the ball went into Shaq and he was doubled? No.
I'll trust the coach on who the first option was, as well as my eyes.
Win shares per 48 min 2000 playoffs
Shaq 0.283 vs Kobe 0.202
2001 playoffs
Shaq 0.245 vs Kobe 0.196
2002 playoffs
Shaq 0.262 vs Kobe 0.199
Kobe himself admitted to being the #2 man during that 3peat
Kobe's word vs. Kobe homers word and dubious reasoning here
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by Mark Madsen
Win shares per 48 min 2000 playoffs
Shaq 0.283 vs Kobe 0.202
2001 playoffs
Shaq 0.245 vs Kobe 0.196
2002 playoffs
Shaq 0.262 vs Kobe 0.199
Kobe himself admitted to being the #2 man during that 3peat
Kobe's word vs. Kobe homers word and dubious reasoning here
no one said kobe was better than shaq during the 3peat
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by Colby Brian
no one said kobe was better than shaq during the 3peat
griffmoney1784 claiming Kobe was the "#1 option" in 01 and 02
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by Mark Madsen
griffmoney1784 claiming Kobe was the "#1 option" in 01 and 02
ignore the trollin
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by Colby Brian
wallace - 13.6 rpg
shaq - 10.8 rpg
plus who cares that shaq shot 60%, do you even watch basketball, look at the shots he takes dunks, layups and 3 foot hook shots, the problem was not offensivly tho
he was outplayed defensivly by far
billups owned payton, and malone was banged up
chemisrty problems
the team was a mess, not all kobes fault
but i give credit to detroit they played much better and deserved the title
Comparing rebounding is pointless when Shaq owned Wallace in the scoring department and doing it with the 63% shooting which by the way is pretty good for a center even if it's just over a period of 5 games.
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Hey guys im new to this site, thought I'd drop a comment...Being in NZ not much NBA is shown on our ESPN but all I clearly remember the 2004 NBA Finals and I always say to others that they should have given Shaq more touches. Kobe (ATG IMO BTW) was terrible in that series. However, Shaq was straight up BEASTING Ben Wallace (my fav player @ the time), Kobe shouldve tried to take on more of a facilitator role for that series and go with what was working (Shaq).
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
'04 Finals was definitely one of the biggests upsets ever, but no mention of '69 Lakers? LA had Wilt, Jerry West and Baylor, and were heavy favorites, even started Finals 2-0, yet managed to lose.
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by griffmoney1784
Lakers leader in FGA's ( AKA #1 OPTION ) from 1996-97 to 2003-04
1996-97 Shaquille O'neal 19.4 FGA's
1997-98 Shaquille O'neal 19.1
1998-99 Shaquille O'neal 18.1
1999-00 Shaquille O'neal 21.1 ( NBA CHAMPIONSHIP )
2000-01 Kobe Bryant 22.2 FGA's ( NBA CHAMPIONSHIP )
2001-02 Kobe Bryant 20.0 FGA's ( NBA CHAMPIONSHIP )
2002-03 Kobe Bryant 23.5 FGA's
2003-04 Kobe Bryant 18.1 FGA's ( NBA FINALS )
sure shaq was the more efficient player. but he wasnt the 1st option
and in a way .... when kobe was the main go to guy. the lakers had more success...
hahahahahah this post made me laugh !!
You're one funny dude !
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
yea it was, our butt still hurt from that but Karl malone and horace grant was out due to injury. that really killed our team chemistry. (no one was doing the dirty works)
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by KG5MVP
shaq was having a great series, the sole reason lakers lost is because of kobe, look at his stats in that finals, horrible, 30% shooting
Yeah, and in the following year D-Wade shot over 50% against the Pistons in the playoffs, and would have beat them and won the title if Wade didn't get hurt late in that series.
Then a year later Wade shot 62% against that Pistons defense in that playoff series.. In a year when the Pistons still had the #1 defense in the league and a franchise record 64 wins.
Wade always looked great against that defense and took em to school.
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by Heat007
Yeah, and in the following year D-Wade shot over 50% against the Pistons in the playoffs, and would have beat them and won the title if Wade didn't get hurt late in that series.
Then a year later Wade shot 62% against that Pistons defense in that playoff series.. In a year when the Pistons still had the #1 defense in the league and a franchise record 64 wins.
Wade always looked great against that defense and took em to school.
I thought we're talking about the 04 finals? y you have to bring up wade and his stats? if not that 04 upset wade will never get his RING! you need to thank the Pistons for giving him a chance to ride on shaq's dick.
Last edited by SYM86; 03-18-2011 at 07:35 AM.
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
its pretty simple, kobe was the main reason they lost that finals.
Sure, they might have lost if kobe played a more team oriented game, but i highly doubt it would have been in 5. IT would have been a 50-50 had kobe played team game.
But.. KOBE IS KOBE..
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by whoartthou
its pretty simple, kobe was the main reason they lost that finals.
Sure, they might have lost if kobe played a more team oriented game, but i highly doubt it would have been in 5. IT would have been a 50-50 had kobe played team game.
But.. KOBE IS KOBE..
But I love kobe, he da bess [COLOR="White"]@ raping[/COLOR]
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Re: Was the 2004 Finals the biggest NBA upset ever?
Originally Posted by SYM86
I thought we're talking about the 04 finals? y you have to bring up wade and his stats? if not that 04 upset wade will never get his RING! you need to thank the Pistons for giving him a chance to ride on shaq's dick
Except it was Kobe who rode on Shaq's dick. Shaq was a 30/15 guy commanding triple teams in his PRIME with Kobe.. Kobe was suckin Shaq hard.
In Miami Shaq was not nearly the same player as he lost two steps. He was a 19/9 player. Shaq was not commanding so many double and triple teams when he was in miami, that's because he WASN'T the same player. Wade is the one who made those Pistons defenses look silly and led that team. Kobe could never do that.
Wade had legendary playoff performances those first 2 seasons with Shaq. And Wade broke series and playoff records.. in JUST his 2nd and 3rd season in the LEAGUE !! We have never seen a player so early in his career dominate on both ends of the floor so early in their career like Wade showed.
While kobe, in his prime, totally stunk against the Pistons.
Over a 4 year span, Kobe shot 40% against that Pistons defense in the regular season, and was under 40% in the playoffs.
Over a 4 year span Wade shot well over 50% against that pistons defense in the regular season, and shot 57% against them in 2 playoff series (one year he was over 50% and the next year at 61%). And Wade averaged more rebounds, assists, steals AND blocks against them.. by a big margin in some of those categories.
Wade has two titles if he didn't get injured when they were up 3 games to 2 to the pistons in 2005. And Kobe couldn't do it with a younger Shaq. Instead, Kobe got embarrassed,
Wade >>> Kobe
Kobe has always sucked against the really good defenses. He's just 41% in the Finals for his career, that's because the East had all the good defenses. He's always looked like crap against the best eastern teams. He's lucky he's in a free wheeling western conference where defense is overlooked in favor of offense as its been a more offensive conference.
Over the last decade the top 5 defenses have been in the east. and over the last decade the 5 worst defenses have been in the west.
What did kobe shoot against the Celtics last year in the playoffs? 42%. What did Wade shoot against the Celtics in last year's playoffs? He shot 57% averaging 34 pts per game.,
That chucker had it easy while the more efficient all around player was still better in a harder conference to play in. And we all know head to head Wade always looked better than Kobe when they face up and guard one another-
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=202491
Wade >>> Kobe
Last edited by Heat007; 03-18-2011 at 07:59 AM.
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