Kobe vs Shaq vs Duncan

[jlauber]

Yeah, my rankings aren't all based on prime/peak, but that factors enough into them that players primes/peaks at least had to be very close for me to rank the inferior player(at their prime/peak) over the other, and will have to make up for the difference in prime/peak with superior longevity and team success.

I'd probably rank Duncan around top 6 or 7 all time.



What the hell does Wilt have to do with this?



You have your years mixed up. Kobe was the best player in the 2002 Lakers/Spurs series regardless of numbers, but Duncan played much better than him in the 2003 series.

What the hell does Hakeem have to do with this, then, as well?

[ShaqAttack3234]

What the hell does Hakeem have to do with this, then, as well?

He's an example of his prime being too good to rank some players over him because of accomplishments such as Kobe and Duncan, who IMO, just weren't as good as Hakeem.

You brought up Wilt because it's obvious that my all time ranking for Wilt offends you so much that you want to try to debate it again.

[Fatal9]

duncan had a better series than kobe in 2002 but thats it, kobe had a better series than duncan in 2001, 03, 04, 08,..look at the numbers

LOL. Did you watch the series at all? The big story was San Antonio's epic fourth quarter collapses (led by Duncan who was getting shut down by Shaq iirc) and Kobe's clutch play. Spurs should have won the series if they could keep it together but they would go dry offensively (Duncan not being able to take over as a scorer). In game 3, Kobe went 5/5 in the fourth and put the Spurs away. In game 4, he made the game winning shot and outscored the Spurs by himself in the fourth quarter. In game 5, Kobe had a big second half (20+ pts iirc) and assisted on Horry's game winning three. LA won all three games and SA went into all those games with a lead in the fourth. LA shouldn't have won that series at all. And Shaq was struggling offensively late in games because he wasn't 100% so Kobe HAD to play well to win those games.

That series (and playoff run) really cemented Kobe's clutch status in the league. Kobe's destroyed Duncan's teams head to head, nothing Timmy's defensive impact can do when Kobe is raining shots over his teams.


BTW, if Kobe's team blew a series like that with another opposing superstar taking over games at the same time, we'd never hear the end of it.

[Colby Brian]

LOL. Did you watch the series at all? The big story was San Antonio's epic fourth quarter collapses (led by Duncan who was getting shut down by Shaq iirc) and Kobe's clutch play. Spurs should have won the series if they could keep it together. In game 3, Kobe went 5/5 in the fourth and put the Spurs away. In game 4, he made the game winning shot and outscored the Spurs by himself in the fourth quarter. In game 5, Kobe had a big second half (20+ pts iirc) and assisted on Horry's game winning three. LA won all three games and SA went into all those games with a lead in the fourth. LA shouldn't have won that series at all. And Shaq was struggling offensively late in games because he wasn't 100% so Kobe HAD to play well to win those games.

That series (and playoff run) really cemented Kobe's clutch status in the league. Kobe's destroyed Duncan's teams head to head, nothing Timmy's defensive impact can do when Kobe is raining shots over his teams.

oh i think i meant 2003
yeah, kobe>duncan, idk how people can say otherwise

[CJ Mustard]

1. Shaq - Up there with Wilt and Jordan as one of the most dominant players to ever live.


2. Duncan - GOAT Power Forward, 4 championships, 3 Finals MVP's, 2 MVP's over the course of 10 years.













3. Kobe - Never the undisputed best player in the league. Won 3 titles with one of the most dominant forces in NBA history, and the other 2 with one of the most stacked rosters in NBA history.

Thread should've ended right here.

[tpols]

Thread should've ended right here.

From the beginning of this years season..

Even with Boozer they don't scare anybody. They are in no way, shape or form, contenders. They'll be on the same level as the Knicks, and Bucks.

That is all.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=190123
Why would anyone take your opinion seriously?

[Colby Brian]

Thread should've ended right here.

did u even read my first post?
kobe owned duncan in the playoffs except one year

[SCdac]

pau, pau is second banana to kobe

take manu, parker, and even d.robinson (1999 year) off the spurs, what will they win?

duncan always had a good supporting cast, kobe most of the time but not in his peak prime 2005-06 to 2006-07

Dude, in 1999 Duncan was a second-year player and straight up owned the Knicks in the Finals and earned the Finals MVP without a shred of doubt... How many Finals MVP's did Kobe get playing with Shaq again?

look at the scoring in the 99 Finals:

game 1: Duncan 33 , Robinson 13
game 2: Duncan 25 , Robinson 16
game 3: Duncan 20 , Robinson 25 (spurs lost)
game 4: Duncan 28 , Robinson 14
game 5: Duncan 31 , Robinson 15

Duncan scored a third of the Spurs Finals points!

Take 4 players off the 1999 Spurs and replace them with even worse players?? obviously that's going to hurt...

Consider this, Manu, Parker, and an old David Robinson, particularly in 2003, were no where near the player Pau Gasol was and is now. We're talking about a late first rounder, a deep second rounder, and somebody in his last season before retiring. Parker was a second year player with a crap jump shot, Manu was a rookie who was inconsistent, and Robinson was a 37 year old role player at center at most.

[CJ Mustard]

From the beginning of this years season..


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=190123
Why would anyone take your opinion seriously?

I ended up being 2/3.

- They are not contenders, they're pretenders (you can argue this all you want, you'll see the truth in the Playoffs)

- They are on the same level as the Knicks (you could argue the Knicks are better, they've beaten them twice already without Melo)

- Nobody on this entire ****ing forum thought the Bucks would turn out like this. If it wasn't for all the injuries we suffered, who knows how good we could have been.

[Colby Brian]

Dude, in 1999 Duncan was a second-year player and straight up owned the Knicks in the Finals and earned the Finals MVP without a shred of doubt... How many Finals MVP's did Kobe get playing with Shaq again?

look at the scoring in the 99 Finals:

game 1: Duncan 33 , Robinson 13
game 2: Duncan 25 , Robinson 16
game 3: Duncan 20 , Robinson 25 (spurs lost)
game 4: Duncan 28 , Robinson 14
game 5: Duncan 31 , Robinson 15

Duncan scored a third of the Spurs Finals points!

Take 4 players off the 1999 Spurs and replace them with even worse players?? obviously that's going to hurt...

Consider this, Manu, Parker, and an old David Robinson, particularly in 2003, were no where near the player Pau Gasol was and is now. We're talking about a late first rounder, a deep second rounder, and somebody in his last season before retiring. Parker was a second year player with a crap jump shot, Manu was a rookie who was inconsistent, and Robinson was a 37 year old role player at center at most.

lol look at the playoff head to head numbers i posted, kobe outscored a prime duncan in 3/4 series, when kobe was younger
kobe owns duncan in the playoffs
plus kobe was 21,22,23 during the 3peat with shaq, shaq was 28,29,30 (prime), but kobe did play better in some series tho

[6_funk]

Which player would i want to have at his peak:
1) Shaq
2) Duncan
3) Kobe

Whose career achievements would i want:
1) Kobe
2) Duncan
3) Shaq

[Colby Brian]

Dude, in 1999 Duncan was a second-year player and straight up owned the Knicks in the Finals and earned the Finals MVP without a shred of doubt... How many Finals MVP's did Kobe get playing with Shaq again?

look at the scoring in the 99 Finals:

game 1: Duncan 33 , Robinson 13
game 2: Duncan 25 , Robinson 16
game 3: Duncan 20 , Robinson 25 (spurs lost)
game 4: Duncan 28 , Robinson 14
game 5: Duncan 31 , Robinson 15

Duncan scored a third of the Spurs Finals points!

Take 4 players off the 1999 Spurs and replace them with even worse players?? obviously that's going to hurt...

Consider this, Manu, Parker, and an old David Robinson, particularly in 2003, were no where near the player Pau Gasol was and is now. We're talking about a late first rounder, a deep second rounder, and somebody in his last season before retiring. Parker was a second year player with a crap jump shot, Manu was a rookie who was inconsistent, and Robinson was a 37 year old role player at center at most.

what about manu and parker in 2005 and 2007, they were good players, parker won finals mvp in 07

[Colby Brian]

Which player would i want to have at his peak:
1) Shaq
2) Duncan
3) Kobe

Whose career achievements would i want:
1) Kobe
2) Duncan
3) Shaq

kobe in his peak went insane scoring, he just didnt have a supporting cast

2 best seasons statistically

duncan
01-02 - 25.5 ppg, 12.7 rpg, 3.7 apg, 2.5 bpg
02-03 - 23.3 ppg, 12.9 rpg, 3.9 apg, 2.9 bpg

shaq
93-94 - 29.3 ppg, 13.2 rpg, 2.4 apg, 2.9 bpg
99-00 - 29.7 ppg, 13.6 rpg, 3.8 apg, 3.0 bpg

kobe
05-06 - 35.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg, 1.8 spg
06-07 - 31.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 5.4 apg, 1.4 spg

too me the best peaks was
1.shaq
2.kobe
3.duncan

[CJ Mustard]

did u even read my first post?
kobe owned duncan in the playoffs except one year

Irrelevant.

[jlauber]

what about manu and parker in 2005 and 2007, they were good players, parker won finals mvp in 07

The '07 Finals was just another example of Duncan's greatness. The Spurs easily won that series, and TD didn't have to put up huge games for them to win the Finals.