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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BallersTalk
    The only real advantage Kobe has over Allen in terms of athleticism is a noticeably longer wingspan. Quickness, raw end-to-end speed, and leaping ability are all relatively even. Kobe may have a slight advantage in body control and coordination. That's about it. The reason Kobe's as good as he is isn't because of natural gifts. He had to work for everything he has. I don't get why Kobe homers think this is a knock on Kobe. It's a compliment if anything.
    Worst post EVER. Kobe and Ray's leaping ability is even?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FS_tFGgEto

    pause at 0:37

    Ray could never do this even in his young rookie days so shut up.

    Slight advantage in body control and coordination? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locj7xohyWw

    When could Ray ever do?

    Ban yourself.

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BallersTalk
    The only real advantage Kobe has over Allen in terms of athleticism is a noticeably longer wingspan. Quickness, raw end-to-end speed, and leaping ability are all relatively even. Kobe may have a slight advantage in body control and coordination. That's about it. The reason Kobe's as good as he is isn't because of natural gifts. He had to work for everything he has. I don't get why Kobe homers think this is a knock on Kobe. It's a compliment if anything.
    Sounds good to me.

    Kobe was more explosive than Ray Allen in his younger days though.

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    1A/1B Larry Hughes/Kobe

    They have about the same level of god given athleticism

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    Ray Allen has this though: Ray for 54 points 80% swishes

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzw_SUvLq4A

    Larry Pre injuries when he could get up and change direction super quick:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yzw_SUvLq4A

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTGAME
    so your saying that Kobe outworked Ray Allen by that much, is that possible?

    Kobe must be one of the hardest workers ever because Ray Allen is no slouch?

    If Ray Allen cared as much about the game as Kobe could he has been better? as good as Kobe?
    Ray Allen never had the same mindset. He never developed his one-on-one game the way Kobe did. Allen was always concerned about the team aspect. That's why he's one of the greatest catch-and-shoot players ever. He spent most of his career coming off screens. Kobe spent most of his time refining his one-on-one game. He's a significantly better ball-handler and has better footwork. He just has more moves and counter-moves. That's the reason he can't be guarded 1-on-1. Not because he has blinding quickness and athleticism.
    Last edited by BallersTalk; 07-31-2009 at 04:38 PM.

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by CantStop
    Worst post EVER. Kobe and Ray's leaping ability is even?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FS_tFGgEto

    pause at 0:37

    Ray could never do this even in his young rookie days so shut up.

    Slight advantage in body control and coordination? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locj7xohyWw

    When could Ray ever do?

    Ban yourself.
    That's not any harder than the rock the cradle back dunk...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfPd76yKJRI

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by CantStop
    Worst post EVER. Kobe and Ray's leaping ability is even?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FS_tFGgEto

    pause at 0:37

    Ray could never do this even in his young rookie days so shut up.

    Slight advantage in body control and coordination? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locj7xohyWw

    When could Ray ever do?

    Ban yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlPjW...eature=related

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by BallersTalk
    Ray Allen never had the same mindset. He never developed his one-on-one game the way Kobe did. Allen was always concerned about the team aspect. That's why he's one of the greatest catch-and-shoot players ever. He spent most of his career coming off screens. Kobe spent most of his time refining his one-on-one game. He's a significantly better ball-handler and footwork. He just has more moves and counter-moves. That's the reason he can't be guarded 1-on-1. Not because he has blinding quickness and athleticism.
    so you saying the Ray Allen decided to become an average ball handler for the good of the team?

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Ray Allen when he got to the league refined his game a lot to focus more on off the ball movement and jump shooting. You have to see him at Uconn to see him display his athleticism. He used to smash on people left and right along with the wicked jump shots.

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by LAClipsFan33
    Ray Allen when he got to the league refined his game a lot to focus more on off the ball movement and jump shooting. You have to see him at Uconn to see him display his athleticism. He used to smash on people left and right along with the wicked jump shots.
    so he decided he couldnt work on all aspects of his game? Your saying he was too lazy to put in the extra time?

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Not impressed. He needs to reach Shannon Brown's leaping ability before he comes close to Kobe.

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    LOL is this a joke? Kobe in his prime was one of the best athletes in the entire league. Go back and watch some videos of him between 00-05.
    Ray Allen and Hughes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW5iQ16Nmx4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpOFDoL0IDQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAGoC...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lA4gVPQaTY


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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTGAME
    so he decided he couldnt work on all aspects of his game? Your saying he was too lazy to put in the extra time?
    No I'm saying he focused more on shooting and became on of the greatest shooters to ever hold a basketball. Get a clue...his game is not the dribble drive

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by CantStop
    Not impressed. He needs to reach Shannon Brown's leaping ability before he comes close to Kobe.
    Shannon Brown jumps WAY higher than Kobe EVER did

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by IGOTGAME
    so you saying the Ray Allen decided to become an average ball handler for the good of the team?
    If Kobe spent 90% of his time on the court coming off screens, he wouldn't have this type of one-on-one game either. BTW, Ray Allen is not an average ball-handler. Ray practiced shooting, coming off screens, and just being an all-around team player. I doubt he put a lot of emphasis on isolation moves like Kobe did.

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    Default Re: Better natural athlete Kobe Bryant, Ray Allen or Larry Hughes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jacks3
    LOL is this a joke? Kobe in his prime was one of the best athletes in the entire league. Go back and watch some videos of him between 00-05.
    Ray Allen and Hughes
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW5iQ16Nmx4
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpOFDoL0IDQ
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAGoC...eature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lA4gVPQaTY

    Interesting that you show the dunk that Kobe tore his shoulder on mainly because he couldn't get high enough to safely dunk the ball down

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