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Hardwood Hero
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Celts34
Peja was most definetly argued as being top 10 in 01-02, and 02-03. There were people who argued he was a better player then Dirk.
By who? As a shooter? Definitely. Not as a top player. He was a MVP candidate during Webber's injury in 2004, when he was battling for the scoring championship, but that was it.
People at one time were comparing Peja to larry Bird. Don't you remember that special that with Melo, Bron, Magic, and Bird. The one that got Bird in all that trouble when he said the NBA was hurting because there were no white stars. It was because Bron or melo(I forget who)asked magic what he thought about people saying Peja was better than Larry Bird. And Magic laughed, then got all serious said hell no(basically), and that there would never be another Larry bird. Which is what got the Legend started on his no stars speech.
I don't know what world you lived in where Peja was a top 5 all around player and was compared to Bird.
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Kiss my converse!!!
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by plowking
When was C-Webb ever on a team as good as last years Celtics?
I would argue the 00-01, and 01-02 Kings were probably very close.
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ROY=D-Rose
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Celts34
I would argue the 00-01, and 01-02 Kings were probably very close.
Very good teams, but they don't compare to last years Celtics. Not even close. A team that topped out at 61 wins and never made the championship doesn't compare to a team with three stars winning 66 games and the championship
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National High School Star
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
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Kiss my converse!!!
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Showtime
By who? As a shooter? Definitely. Not as a top player. He was a MVP candidate during Webber's injury in 2004, when he was battling for the scoring championship, but that was it.
I don't know what world you lived in where Peja was a top 5 all around player and was compared to Bird.
http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan...-dogsackings11
Yea cuz I jus make this stuff up.
http://vault.sportsillustrated.cnn.c...1108/index.htm
Yea Peja being compared to Bird never happened though right.
http://fantasybbcoach.blogspot.com/2...with-peja.html
Yea this was a comparison noone ever tried to make stick
Last edited by Celts34; 01-26-2009 at 02:03 AM.
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Verticle?
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Celts34
Adam Morrison was compared to Bird as well.
Wait, so was every tall white guy who could shoot...
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Verticle?
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Celts34
LOL. Doug Christie comparing him to Bird and that is what you call "he was being compared to Bird".
I guess you can say that Marion and Wade = Pippen and Jordan due to I believe Riley saying so.
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Good college starter
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
I'll take KG without thinking twice.
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Kiss my converse!!!
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by plowking
Adam Morrison was compared to Bird as well.
Wait, so was every tall white guy who could shoot...
Whether or not it has proved to be accurate is irrelevant. A few people have tried to make it sound like I'm rewriting history here. People used to speak highly of Peja, and his perceived rank by some was an upper echelon player. thats the only point I'm trying to make.
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Kiss my converse!!!
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by plowking
LOL. Doug Christie comparing him to Bird and that is what you call "he was being compared to Bird".
I guess you can say that Marion and Wade = Pippen and Jordan due to I believe Riley saying so.
I don't feel like scouring the internet for stuff from 5 years ago, I'm just saying it was a debate people frequently brought up. After Peja' drop into specialist territory, Dirk was given that mantle. But whatever I know I'm not making this up.
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Hardwood Hero
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Celts34
That article is from when Peja was leading the Kings during Webber's injury, where as I already pointed out he was top 5 MVP candidate and battling for a scoring championship. At no point with a healthy C-Webb was Peja considered a top 5 player in the league. At no point before that was Peja considered a top player, and at no point after that was Peja considered a top 5 player. In fact, even during that season, he may have been in the running for the MVP award, but he wasn't on anybody's list of top 5 players.
Can you even read? "best pure marksman since Larry Bird" This article is about his status AS A SHOOTER. There's a difference between comparing them as players and comparing them in ONE skill area.
OOOOOh a blog entry. Blogs = reality. At NO TIME WHATSOEVER was there a wide spread discussion around the league or consensus opinion that Peja compared to Bird as a player, in careers, accomplishments, or status. It was purely about shooting ability.
Last edited by Showtime; 01-26-2009 at 02:14 AM.
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National High School Star
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
peja was an mvp candiate that season. man did he set the bar high for himself after that but that was the season webber went down in right? so that dosent count towards webber having a superstar wingman. webber played with a bunch of borderline all stars, not superstars like garnett but the amount of borderline ones and the depth of that roster probably would equal out or be better
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Kiss my converse!!!
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Showtime
That article is from when Peja was leading the Kings during Webber's injury, where as I already pointed out he was top 5 MVP candidate and battling for a scoring championship. At no point with a healthy C-Webb was Peja considered a top 5 player in the league. At no point before that was Peja considered a top player, and at no point after that was Peja considered a top 5 player. In fact, even during that season, he may have been in the running for the MVP award, but he wasn't on anybody's list of top 5 players.
Can you even read? "best pure marksman since Larry Bird" This article is about his status AS A SHOOTER. There's a difference between comparing them as players and comparing them in ONE skill area.
OOOOOh a blog entry. Blogs = reality. At NO TIME WHATSOEVER was there a wide spread discussion around the league or consensus opinion that Peja compared to Bird as a player, in careers, accomplishments, or status. It was purely about shooting ability.
If thats your opinion. Fine. No problem. We just gotta agree to disagree. Thats cool with me.
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Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
rationally i choose KG, but in terms of likeability and the "fun to watch" factor, i'd go with cwebb. they are very different kinds of players of course, but cwebb's awesome passing ability was more fun for me to watch than KG's antics and defensive prowess.
also, cwebb and the kings were robbed one year in the playoffs against the lakers otherwise they probably win the championship that year. i don't normally complain about the refs but it was the worst officiated game i've ever seen and is still infamous in the memories of many sports fans.
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Hardwood Hero
Re: Kevin Garnett or Chris Webber?
Originally Posted by Celts34
If thats your opinion. Fine. No problem. We just gotta agree to disagree. Thats cool with me.
It's not opinion. AT NO POINT WAS THERE A COMPARISON OF LARRY BIRD AND PEJA BEYOND SHOOTING. THE ARTICLE YOU POSTED WAS ABOUT SHOOTING ABILITY. There's no disagreeing.
And as I said, Peja being in the discussion of MVP voting in 2004 does NOT make him a top 5 player in the league. At no point prior to that was he even considered in the top 10, and at no point after that season was he even near top 10. PEJA WAS NOT CONSIDERED A TOP 5 PLAYER IN THE LEAGUE EVER. Even more proof is the FACT that he made the all-NBA second team that year, and that was his best season. A top 5 player should make first team, wouldn't you agree? At his very best, he was a top MVP candidate and second team player, and that was for most of one single season.
He was a top MVP candidate until Webber returned. He was the first option on a top team for the majority of ONE season. That was his best, but that doesn't make him a top 5 player in the game. You are incorrect. Period.
Last edited by Showtime; 01-26-2009 at 02:29 AM.
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