Fred VanVleet putting up multiple 30+ point performance just 10 games into the season

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stans trying to tell me the defense in this era is the best its ever been

Fred Vanvleet wouldnt been able to buy a bucket in the 90s and early 2000s

[hiphopanonymous]

It really is shocking to me how many role players are suddenly putting up big performances in this era as if they

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[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous]It really is shocking to me how many role players are suddenly putting up big performances in this era as if they

[Smoke117]

He actually came up big in the playoffs last season and now has a bigger role. OP being a fakkot as usual, though, of course.

[PP34Deuce]

Fred Vanvleet is a baller. He reminds me of Bobby Jackson from the Sac Kings in the 2000's.

[PJR]

stans trying to tell me the defense in this era is the best its ever been

Fred Vanvleet wouldnt been able to buy a bucket in the 90s and early 2000s

Dude's like John Starks were averaging like 19 a game in the 90's. Please shut fvk up.

[StrongLurk]

OP just giving more evidence for his ignorance.

FVV is clearly a good player, did you see him in the finals last year?

[superduper]

To be fair, FVV is a bad mother****er. He isn't a scrub or a role player. If you watched this season or last night you would see that. Dude is straight up fearless and is becoming insanely skilled at reading defensive lapses. Once he makes the read his finishing is automatic.

[PickernRoller]

No one here is doubting the moral character and build up of the man. OP's point is still correct.

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freddy is a beast. kid has serious skill his only limitation is his height at 6 feet (more like 5'10)

[hiphopanonymous]

freddy is a beast. kid has serious skill his only limitation is his height at 6 feet (more like 5'10)

His height was recently measured due to the 2020 rules regulation that now forces teams to measure accurately - he's 5'8"

I'll admit he's solid skill wise but I still think it's a bit suspect he's so successful I'm not sold he'd be as successful in other eras when defenses used to allow more contact and offensive players had less freedom to navigate

[superduper]

His height was recently measured due to the 2020 rules regulation that now forces teams to measure accurately - he's 5'8"

I'll admit he's solid skill wise but I still think it's a bit suspect he's so successful I'm not sold he'd be as successful in other eras when defenses used to allow more contact and offensive players had less freedom to navigate

He looks for contact though, he doesn't avoid it.

[RRR3]

His height was recently measured due to the 2020 rules regulation that now forces teams to measure accurately - he's 5'8"

I'll admit he's solid skill wise but I still think it's a bit suspect he's so successful I'm not sold he'd be as successful in other eras when defenses used to allow more contact and offensive players had less freedom to navigate

Muggsy Bogues and Spud Webb had successful careers. I’m sure FVV would
be fine.

[red1]

His height was recently measured due to the 2020 rules regulation that now forces teams to measure accurately - he's 5'8"

I'll admit he's solid skill wise but I still think it's a bit suspect he's so successful I'm not sold he'd be as successful in other eras when defenses used to allow more contact and offensive players had less freedom to navigate

freddy is as oldschool as it gets he's a hardnosed gritty beast who had to earn everything wasn't drafted had to work his way onto a roster.


he's not just solid skill-wise- he's extremely skilled. I don't see this argument of him not doing well in other eras at all. it's an idiotic take.

[hiphopanonymous]

He looks for contact though, he doesn't avoid it.

I'm not saying its Vanvleets methods that are a problem at all here, and I'm not even saying he couldn't play in prior eras. It's fundamentally sound to seek contact driving inside, it makes the defender backpeddle and if you're in control the foul will likely be called on them. But some hand checking could certainly have helped curb a 5-8 guys effectiveness no? Also eras prior to the no-charge zone posed issues for smaller guys finishing over bigs.

Anyways - just read another article when he was drafted he was measured "6-1 in shoes" at the draft camp. Hilarious considering this season they said he was 5-8 without shoes. Dude showed up to camp a few years ago in platforms