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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    going down the line
    kidd = billups
    terry > jr
    nene > dampier
    k-mart = bass
    barea > anthony carter
    howard = andersen
    antoine wright > dahntay jones
    jr. smith series against mavs: 16.6 pts/3.4 reb/3.4 ass/1.5 stl on 50/38/68

    Jason terry series agains nuggets: 15.2 pts/3.2 reb/2.4 ass/0.6 stls on 39/36/73

    Kidd series agains nuggets: 12.8 pts/ 5.6reb/6.2 ass on 50/45/75

    billups series aainst mavs: 21.6 pts/ 3.6 reb/ 7.2 ass on 50/43/90


    edit: Josh howard shot 38% in that series as well
    Last edited by pastis; 02-16-2016 at 08:33 AM.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by pastis
    jr. smith series against mavs: 16.6 pts/3.4 reb/3.4 ass/1.5 stl on 50/38/68

    Jason terry series agains nuggets: 15.2 pts/3.2 reb/2.4 ass/0.6 stls on 39/36/73
    ok Jr had a better series, but talent wise at that time they were very similar. Most would put 09 jet over 09 jr smith.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    ok Jr had a better series, but talent wise at that time they were very similar.

    look at kidd vs billups

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    That isn't debatable . Dirk had far worse supporting cast than those guys .

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    ok Jr had a better series, but talent wise at that time they were very similar. Most would put 09 jet over 09 jr smith.

    terry is one of the worst wing defenders in his era. jr smith is 10x the defender terry ever was

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by pastis
    terry is one of the worst wing defenders in his era. jr smith is 10x the defender terry ever was
    He is a 6th man, you don't need defense as a 6th man you need to fill it up. And Terry did that better than JR that year other than in that series.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    But lets move on to recent rosters
    13 -14 knicks
    JR Smith 14/4/3 on 39%
    Raymond Felton 10/6 on 39% (horrible d)
    Tyson 9/10 on 59% injured for 6 weeks
    Bargs 13/5 on 44% injured half the season (horrible d)
    Amare 12/5 on 56% (horrible d)
    Iman 7/4 on 38%

    13-14 mavs
    monta 19/6/4 on 45%
    Jose 11/5 on 46% (horrible d)
    Marion 10/7 on 48%
    vince 12/3/3 on 41%
    dalembert 12/12 on 57%
    Wright 9/4 on 68%
    Last edited by MellowYellow; 02-16-2016 at 08:50 AM.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    But lets move on to recent rosters
    13 -14 knicks
    JR Smith 14/4/3 on 39%
    Raymond Felton 10/6 on 39% (horrible d)
    Tyson 9/10 on 59% injured for 6 weeks
    Bargs 13/5 on 44% injured half the season (horrible d)
    Amare 12/5 on 56% (horrible d)
    Iman 7/4 on 38%

    13-14 mavs
    monta 19/6/4 on 45%
    Jose 11/5 on 46% (horrible d)
    Marion 12/7 on 48%
    vince 12/3/3 on 41%
    dalembert 12/12 on 57%
    Wright 9/4 on 68%
    marion, and especially monta and vince played horrible d as well. every statistic proves it from this year. marion was 2 month later in cleveland and barely played, because he sucked. marion was a pathetic defender the last couple of years. saying that, marion was one of the best defenders dirk played along with. never got any all-defense selection...what about camby and melo? what about chandler and melo?
    dirk had a 50/40/90 season at 36 years old. reached the 8th place in the wild west.


    and didnt you get the "mighty" dalembert the year after? what did you reach with him?

    @mellowyellow: i posted at page 2 all significant raw and advanced stats. you just find all time greats. where is carmelo?
    Last edited by pastis; 02-16-2016 at 09:00 AM.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by pastis
    marion, and especially monta and vince played horrible d as well. every statistic proves it from this year. marion was 2 month later in cleveland and barely played, because he sucked. marion was a pathetic defender the last couple of years. saying that, marion was one of the best defenders dirk played along with. never got any all-defense selection...what about camby and melo? what about chandler and melo?
    dirk had a 50/40/90 season at 36 years old. reached the 8th place in the wild west.


    and didnt you get the "mighty" dalembert the year after? what did you reach with him?

    @mellowyellow: i posted at page 2 all significant raw and advanced stats. you just find all time greats. where is carmelo?
    Monta was their best player dirk was a good 1b, it would be nice if the Knicks could get good players before they die. Amare handcuffed the Knicks and that's on management. Chandler was ok but his best years was 2011 with mavs. He regressed a lot and he isn't much of an option on offense.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    Monta was their best player dirk was a good 1b, it would be nice if the Knicks could get good players before they die. Amare handcuffed the Knicks and that's on management. Chandler was ok but his best years was 2011 with mavs. He regressed a lot and he isn't much of an option on offense.
    And IDK but their isn't really much difference between the 2.

    Melo 25/6.6/3.1 on 45%
    Dirk 22/7.9/2.6 on 47%

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    Monta was their best player dirk was a good 1b, it would be nice if the Knicks could get good players before they die. Amare handcuffed the Knicks and that's on management. Chandler was ok but his best years was 2011 with mavs. He regressed a lot and he isn't much of an option on offense.
    Dirk Nowitzki 2013/2014: 50/40/90 with 21.7 points, 6.8 reb, 23.6 PER

    Monta Ellis 2013/2014: 45/33/78 with 19 points, 5 ass on 16.8 PER

    do ou know that everything you say is bullshit?

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by MellowYellow
    And IDK but their isn't really much difference between the 2.

    Melo 25/6.6/3.1 on 45%
    Dirk 22/7.9/2.6 on 47%

    @ MellowYellow: where is carmelo?





    win shares career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ws_career.html)

    Rank Player WS
    1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 273.41
    2. Wilt Chamberlain* 247.26
    3. Karl Malone* 234.63
    4. Michael Jordan* 214.02
    5. John Stockton* 207.70
    6. Tim Duncan 204.79
    7. Dirk Nowitzki 196.54
    8. Kevin Garnett 191.50

    9. Oscar Robertson* 189.21
    10. LeBron James 187.33
    11. Shaquille O'Neal 181.71
    12. David Robinson* 178.67
    13. Charles Barkley* 177.21
    14. Reggie Miller* 174.40
    15. Kobe Bryant 172.73
    16. Moses Malone* 167.07
    17. Bill Russell* 163.51
    18. Hakeem Olajuwon* 162.77
    19. Jerry West* 162.58
    20. Magic Johnson* 155.79
    21. Paul Pierce 149.64
    22. Robert Parish* 147.00
    23. Larry Bird* 145.83
    24. Gary Payton* 145.53
    25. Ray Allen 145.08


    Win Share per 48 minutes:



    NBA
    Rank Player WS/48
    1. Michael Jordan* .2505
    2. David Robinson* .2502
    3. Wilt Chamberlain* .2480
    4. Chris Paul .2476
    5. Neil Johnston* .2413
    6. LeBron James .2396
    7. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* .2284
    8. Magic Johnson* .2249
    9. Charles Barkley* .2163
    10. Jerry West* .2134
    11. Bob Pettit* .2128
    12. Kevin Durant .2122
    13. Tim Duncan .2101

    14. John Stockton* .2087
    15. Shaquille O'Neal .2081
    16. Oscar Robertson* .2069
    17. Karl Malone* .2053
    18. James Harden .2050
    19. Dirk Nowitzki .2035
    20. Larry Bird* .2032
    21. Manu Ginobili .2016
    22. Yao Ming .2001
    23. Ed Macauley* .1964
    24. Stephen Curry .1929
    25. Bill Russell* .1927
    26. Dolph Schayes* .1922
    27. Adrian Dantley* .1887
    28. Sidney Moncrief .1873
    29. Kevin Love .1838
    30. Paul Arizin* .1833
    31. Sam Jones* .1824
    32. Harry Gallatin* .1824
    33. Kevin Garnett .1823
    34. Dwyane Wade .1807
    35. Kevin McHale* .1802
    36. Bailey Howell* .1799
    37. Bill Sharman* .1782
    38. George Yardley* .1780
    39. Moses Malone* .1779
    40. Julius Erving* .1778
    41. Clyde Lovellette* .1777
    42. Kevin Johnson .1777
    43. Dan Issel* .1769
    44. Hakeem Olajuwon* .1767
    45. Dwight Howard .1766

    46. Walt Frazier* .1760
    47. Reggie Miller* .1758
    48. Chauncey Billups .1756
    49. Bobby Jones .1752
    50. Bob Lanier* .1751
    51. Artis Gilmore* .1737
    52. Clyde Drexler* .1734
    53. Kobe Bryant .1726
    54. Larry Nance .1713
    55. Vern Mikkelsen* .1699
    56. Pau Gasol .1696
    57. Amar'e Stoudemire .1694

    defensive win shares career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/..._career.html):

    NBA
    Rank Player DWS
    1. Bill Russell* 133.64
    2. Tim Duncan 105.20
    3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 94.49
    4. Hakeem Olajuwon* 94.47
    5. Wilt Chamberlain* 93.92
    6. Karl Malone* 92.41
    7. Kevin Garnett 91.52
    8. Elvin Hayes* 83.65
    9. Patrick Ewing* 81.42
    10. David Robinson* 80.14
    11. Jason Kidd 75.14
    12. John Havlicek* 74.09
    13. Robert Parish* 72.98
    14. Ben Wallace 70.58
    15. Dikembe Mutombo* 68.53
    16. Scottie Pippen* 67.29
    17. Shaquille O'Neal 66.36
    18. John Stockton* 64.93
    19. Michael Jordan* 64.13
    20. Wes Unseld* 64.11
    21. Charles Oakley 63.34
    22. Paul Pierce 62.31
    23. Nate Thurmond* 62.23
    24. Buck Williams 61.79
    25. Shawn Marion 61.27
    26. Jack Sikma 60.69
    27. Dwight Howard 59.66
    28. Larry Bird* 59.03
    29. LeBron James 57.14
    30. Rasheed Wallace 57.12
    31. Dirk Nowitzki 56.89
    32. Dolph Schayes* 56.15
    33. Clifford Robinson 55.89
    34. Dave Cowens* 55.83
    35. Marcus Camby 54.89
    36. Dennis Rodman* 54.46
    37. Moses Malone* 54.36
    38. Charles Barkley* 53.91
    39. Vlade Divac 52.90
    40. Shawn Kemp 52.17
    41. Paul Silas 51.74
    42. Kobe Bryant 50.53


    PER career leader (http://www.basketball-reference.com/...er_career.html)

    NBA
    Rank Player PER
    1. Michael Jordan* 27.91
    2. LeBron James 27.61
    3. Shaquille O'Neal 26.43
    4. David Robinson* 26.18
    5. Wilt Chamberlain* 26.13
    6. Chris Paul 25.58
    7. Bob Pettit* 25.35
    8. Kevin Durant 24.92
    9. Dwyane Wade 24.81
    10. Neil Johnston* 24.69
    11. Charles Barkley* 24.63
    12. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 24.58
    13. Tim Duncan 24.32
    14. Magic Johnson* 24.11
    15. Karl Malone* 23.90
    16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 23.59
    17. Larry Bird* 23.50
    18. Oscar Robertson* 23.17
    19. Dirk Nowitzki 23.14
    20. Yao Ming 23.02
    21. Kobe Bryant 22.98

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by masonanddixon
    So Duncan, Kobe, and lebron had far better supporting casts yet the Almighty got it done with half the talent.

    http://thesmokingcuban.com/2016/02/1...his-greatness/
    So in other words Dirk would need 30 all stars to match Kobe's 5 rings with 15.


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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    not only are you lying in the OP and leaving out all stars for Dirk, you're counting all stars who were scrubs at the time they played.

    how about this?

    MVP's played with

    Dirk = 2

    Kobe = 1

    Lebron = 1
    Last edited by DaOldLion; 02-16-2016 at 01:14 PM.

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    Default Re: Dirk has played alongside 6 all stars, Lebron has had 11, Duncan 13, Kobe 15

    Quote Originally Posted by pastis
    Melo is the biggest chocker the world has ever seen since the fall of france in 1940
    Laughed harder than I should have.

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