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Old 04-08-2013, 05:13 PM   #69
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Default Re: Do people really believe KD is only a good scorer because of his free throws?

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Originally Posted by ShaqAttack3234
How exactly is their any bias on my part? And you wanted to break down their FGA. You attempted to do so by giving them equal 3s, I did one better by showing their shots at the rim. I'll grant you that you're more likely to get fouled on 2s than 3s in general, but I don't know how you can argue that you're more likely to get fouled at the rim than you are in mid-range.

I'm stuck in my thinking? You in itially posted stats without ANY context to try to make a point, I've consistently made vastly superior arguments and yet you won't budge.

If you think Melo gets the same treatment Durant does then you don't watch Knick games, or you're the one whose biased. Melo was consistently going inside yesterday for example, and going in strong, yet other than the 2 intentional fouls late, he didn't have a free throw.

It's not really about shots at the rim. Melo takes 22 shots a game. Based on your numbers...that would mean 6 shots at the rim. With something like 4.5 for Durant I'm assuming.

Okay...great. Let's say Melo has a better chance to get fouled on those 6 attempts. But what about the other 16 attempts? So Melo is gaining 1.5 chances there, but losing 2 on threes. And losing another 1.5 on shots between 16-23 feet. So if we break it down like you want to. You are already at 2 shots that should be deducted off Melo's total as he shoots 1.5 more shots at the rim, but shoots 3.5 more shots from 16 feet and beyond.

That is why fga is useless. You keep telling me to watch the games. Well, I watch them and I see Kobe and Melo settling for bad shots far more often than Durant. Factually they shoot more long shots as well...even after accounting for shots at the rim. They are still taking roughly 2 more shots per game from long range.

So what do you think is more likely. That Melo and Kobe take more long shots and settle for, on average, more bad shots per game....and Durant is better at drawing fouls...or;

The league has a conspiracy against the likes of Kobe, Melo, and Lebron

How can you not see the difference in listing fga and then bitching about ft rate without thinking first.

On the evidence alone...you'd have to cut 2 shots a piece off of Kobe and Melo to do an apples to apple comparison and shot attempts...and that doesn't even speak to the total difference in shots where a foul is more or less likely.

But lets just say 2 for a common ground.

you then immediately get 17.9 vs 18.4 vs 20. so that rate you originally posted looks a lot different.

and then i'd ask. how much better is durant at drawing fouls? can you quantify it? like 5% better. 10% better. what do you think?

Then you need to factor in that Durant plays more minutes per game. Small difference, but he's on the court more so more chance he can get fouled and go to the line. .3 more minutes than Kobe and 1.5 more minutes than Melo.

And when you start to add it all up...you start to see that the difference isn't all that you made it out to be and is easily explained by Durant just being better at drawing fouls.

And we also really need to see how many techs and defensive 3 second free throws these guys take. I have no clue who takes the most, but obviously Durant shoots them all for the Thunder because he's the best ft shooter in the league. I know Nash took them a lot of the time for the Lakers.

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