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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigkingsfan

    Ordan was terrible at open 3's and contested 3's.
    Curry shoots 30% on contested threes:


    2019 Playoffs




    Curry is bad also bad at contested mid-range:





    So he is NOT a good contested jumpshooter and therefore doesn't compare to bird or kobe.. ..



    He's also nowhere near the impact offensively that everyone thinks:



    Playoffs


    08' Lakers ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Kobe - 109.9
    08' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 93.7
    __________________________________
    [COLOR="White"]..................................[/COLOR][COLOR="Purple"]Difference - 16.2[/COLOR] [COLOR="Green"]<----- link to NBA.com source[/COLOR]


    09' Lakers ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Kobe - 112.0
    09' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 94.0
    __________________________________
    [Color="white"].................................[/color][COLOR="Purple"]Difference - 18.0[/COLOR]


    10' Lakers ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Kobe - 112.4
    10' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 96.4
    __________________________________
    [Color="white"]................................[/color][COLOR="Purple"]Difference - 16.0[/COLOR]




    19' Warrior ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Curry - 119.0
    19' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 102.7
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    [Color="white"].................................[/color][COLOR="Navy"]Difference - 16.3[/COLOR]


    Team ORtg changed more when Kobe left the floor or came in than Curry.. So Kobe had greater offensive impact, while also being a much better contested jumpshooter

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Curry shoots 30% on contested threes:
    His contested 3's are almost the same as Ordan combined 3's.

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by bigkingsfan
    His contested 3's are almost the same as Ordan combined 3's.
    Jordan shot threes well


    1) When it mattered - 43% on 3.3 attempts in 91-93' Finals.. 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs

    2) When he tried - he attempted less than 1.5 every year except 2 years (90, 93) when he attempted 3+ and shot 38% and 35%

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Jordan shot threes well


    1) When it mattered - 43% on 3.3 attempts in 91-93' Finals.. 35.2% on 2.2 attempts in 85-93' playoffs

    2) When he tried - he attempted less than 1.5 every year except 2 years (90, 93) when he attempted 3+ and shot 38% and 35%
    Ordan only shot open 3's... and didn't even have to run around and work for it. Defense gave him 0 respect.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03GT8q3BCZY

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    I mean, I'm actually sitting here and read the entire thread trying to figure out what the **** the point of this thread is.

    I don't understand how Steph making a bad judgment play, traveling to step back and take a three, impacts his ability as a shooter.

    Am I missing something or what the ****?

    Are you saying his bad judgment actually has an impact on his shooting ability?

    Are you saying that since he didn't have confidence to take the midrange shot, that it somehow affects his ability to shoot?

    I didn't think anyone still questioned if Steph was the GOAT shooter. I don't give a **** if he never attempted 1 mid range jumper in his entire career and just made a bunch of 3's....He's still the GOAT shooter. I mean, he can make contested, off the dribble 3's from wherever the hell he wants and I'm supposed to believe because other guys are better from CLOSER that they're better shooters? What sense does that make? He's a better shooter than MJ, Bird, West, all these guys.

    Steph is shooting from farther away from the rim, set shot or off the dribble, how exactly is this not more impressive? Its not like he's shooting 10% from three. The dude is extremely efficient therefore in today's game, him taking a 3 in that situation for a guy of his caliber is absolutely a logical decision. 3 is more than 2 and its Steph freaking Curry, not Mckinney. And it was still a wide open shot that he actually made.

    Like, what is this thread about again?

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Is the best jumpshooter ever the guy that relied on jumpers the most to win a scoring title?


    Jordan 1997.... 727/1528 (47.5 fg)
    Curry[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 2016.... 525/1191 (44.0 fg)


    People don't realize that when they say MJ had the goat fadeaway, they mean jumpshot - that's what the fadeaway is - a jumpshot - and all of MJ's jumpers were fadeaways - me at player's jumpers are fadeaways

    Despite MJ relying on jumpers more than anyone ever, he still got 90 dunks in 1996 and 1998 (top 10% of league), which shows his incredible scoring versatility
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    Last edited by 3ball; 09-19-2019 at 05:39 PM.

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Curry shoots 30% on contested threes:


    2019 Playoffs




    Curry is bad also bad at contested mid-range:





    So he is NOT a good contested jumpshooter and therefore doesn't compare to bird or kobe.. ..



    He's also nowhere near the impact offensively that everyone thinks:



    Playoffs


    08' Lakers ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Kobe - 109.9
    08' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 93.7
    __________________________________
    [COLOR="White"]..................................[/COLOR][COLOR="Purple"]Difference - 16.2[/COLOR] [COLOR="Green"]<----- link to NBA.com source[/COLOR]


    09' Lakers ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Kobe - 112.0
    09' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 94.0
    __________________________________
    [Color="white"].................................[/color][COLOR="Purple"]Difference - 18.0[/COLOR]


    10' Lakers ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Kobe - 112.4
    10' Lakers ORtg w/out Kobe -.. 96.4
    __________________________________
    [Color="white"]................................[/color][COLOR="Purple"]Difference - 16.0[/COLOR]




    19' Warrior ORtg [COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]with[COLOR="White"].''[/COLOR] Curry - 119.0
    19' Warrior ORtg w/out Curry - 102.7
    __________________________________
    [Color="white"].................................[/color][COLOR="Navy"]Difference - 16.3[/COLOR]


    Team ORtg changed more when Kobe left the floor or came in than Curry.. So Kobe had greater offensive impact, while also being a much better contested jumpshooter

    those stats have kobe and curry as having nearly identical monstrous impact...

    they are both GOAT level orchestrators of offense.

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Forgot about this thread

    Explains a lot about OP and his asinine opinion ms

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3ball
    Is the best jumpshooter ever the guy that relied on jumpers the most to win a scoring title?


    Jordan 1997.... 727/1528 (47.5 fg)
    Curry[COLOR="White"]...[/COLOR] 2016.... 525/1191 (44.0 fg)


    People don't realize that when they say MJ had the goat fadeaway, they mean jumpshot - that's what the fadeaway is - a jumpshot - and all of MJ's jumpers were fadeaways - me at player's jumpers are fadeaways

    Despite MJ relying on jumpers more than anyone ever, he still got 90 dunks in 1996 and 1998 (top 10% of league), which shows his incredible scoring versatility
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    You do realize over 1000 of Curry's jump shots were 3s, right?

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe
    You do realize over 1000 of Curry's jump shots were 3s, right?
    MJ gave his team a favorable outcome on a higher percentage of his jumpers (higher fg %) - higher fg % means that MJ gave his team a higher frequency of favorable possessions and better momentum from possession to possession (less droughts)

    But more importantly, MJ's jumpshooting volume was MUCH higher while winning the scoring title than Curry's, so MJ relied on jumpers MORE than Curry to be the league's top scorer, and is therefore the better jumpshooter

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by ImKobe
    You do realize over 1000 of Curry's jump shots were 3s, right?
    Yeah, but most of Jordan's were 15-18 foot jump shots, and a lot of those were fadeaways. And a lot of those were contested with doubles.





    Not to mention, Jordan played off ball most of the time in the triangle offense, which means he had to work more before he got to shoot the ball. Whereas Curry starts with the ball on offense and can sometimes just pull up. It's a lot more difficult for a team to throw a double at someone out on the perimeter as opposed to in a more congested space like the mid-range.

    In fact he was so skilled that he'd sometimes give up an easier shot like a wide open layup in lieu of a double team contested fadeaway.
    Last edited by 72-10; 09-20-2019 at 02:03 AM.

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by 72-10
    Yeah, but most of Jordan's were 15-18 foot jump shots, and a lot of those were fadeaways. And a lot of those were contested with doubles.





    Not to mention, Jordan played off ball most of the time in the triangle offense, which means he had to work more before he got to shoot the ball. Whereas Curry starts with the ball on offense and can sometimes just pull up. It's a lot more difficult for a team to throw a double at someone out on the perimeter as opposed to in a more congested space like the mid-range.

    In fact he was so skilled that he'd sometimes give up an easier shot like a wide open layup in lieu of a double team contested fadeaway.
    All Curry does is run off screens and off ball


    It's VERY visible some of you nostalgic MJ fans stopped watching hoops years ago. Diarhea posts

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by scuzzy
    All Curry does is run off screens and off ball


    It's VERY visible some of you nostalgic MJ fans stopped watching hoops years ago. Diarhea posts
    What?

    He was referring to 2016 Curry. He led the offense then. He still led the offense much of the time even with Durant on the team.

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    Quote Originally Posted by 72-10
    What?

    He was referring to 2016 Curry. He led the offense then. He still led the offense much of the time even with Durant on the team.
    Yeah and it's the same thing, brings it up the court, passes to Klay or Dray immediatly, runs around off screens until he's open

    rinse wash

    Unlike MJ who's camping in the high post waiving to Kerr/Harper feed him the ball while being checked by Starks/Hornacek/Ehlo. LMAO gtfoh

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    Default Re: Perfect example why Curry is NOT the best shooter ever.

    haha that triple step back. It goes to show how amazing that ray step back was.

    If anything it shows more about his lack of awareness of where he is on the floor than his shooting ability. AND ARROGANCE TO THINK HE COULD GET AWAY WITH IT.

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