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    Default Re: Promotion of Jordan was shoved in America's throats more than any player by the NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by livingby3's
    Let's just say the marketability of MJ goes way beyond the states. The NBA can't achieve that with any other legends, and not any current players. Not Kobe, not Lebron, not Durant. and their targeted audience can't only be from the USA, or basketball fans. Kobe dare I say is not even worth a third of Jordans name in terms of popularity.
    What other legend had the luxury of the proper timing with TV and marketing that Jordan did?

    No one.

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    Why would I be mad about simple psychology observed in countless studies?

    The economics of good looks
    http://www.economist.com/node/21526782
    Everyone knows you are furious about Jordan's success. Stay mad brah.

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    Muhammad Ali Was a Rebel. Michael Jordan Is a Brand Name

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    In celebrating Jordan as a hero, are we merely worshipping capitalism?

    By Michael Crowley

    Michael Jordan

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    Keeping His Distance From Social Issues

    Despite his ever-growing wealth and influence, Jordan has never shown much interest in shaping the world that lies at his feet. He carefully dodged any political issue that might have jeopardized his family-friendly image. When asked in 1992 about the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles, for instance, Jordan lamely replied:

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    Shut up Winwin. Joe Louis was a real American hero because he fought in World War II while Ali is a draft dodger. Louis would also beat Ali in a head to head match up. The Brown Bomber is the Greatest Heavyweight Boxer of all time.

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    Yo WinWin, MJ was a.basketball player, not the pope. That's what I don't get, make role models out of inspirational figures like Ghandi, the Dalai Lama or Mandela. Not some dude who gets paid millions to play a sport

    That article was lame hating, MJ has flaws like everybody but we didn't nominate him as Pope. He's a fvcking basketballer player and will fvck around with different women, it's what they do

    Oh and that last sentence is a real doozy, "winning isn't everything", yeah, I bet the media and fans would be real understanding if LBJ never won a ring :
    Last edited by TheMan; 03-02-2013 at 05:43 PM.

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    Win Win's article makes a good point about jordan. He was a great athlete, but he doesnt compare as personality. In fact he has a pretty poor personality. DGMW, he is the goat on the court, but he surely doesnt measure up to Ali or Some of the other greats in other sports.

    I know for black people, it used to be a responsibility and an honor for celebrities to also be community activists and people who actually stood for something..

    Not so much anymore..

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    Default Re: Promotion of Jordan was shoved in America's throats more than any player by the NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by TheMan
    Yo WinWin, MJ was a.basketball player, not the pope. That's what I don't get, make role models out of inspirational figures like Ghandi, the Dalai Lama or Mandela. Not some dude who gets paid millions to play a sport

    That article was lame hating, MJ has flaws like everybody but we didn't nominate him as Pope. He's a fvcking basketballer player and will fvck around with different women, it's what they do
    I agree that athletes should not be role models and someone of more importance or people close to younger audience (parents, teachers, guardians, etc...) should be... regarding the pope claim or high entiry line...

    There have been certain Michael Jordan fanatics who do consider him "God". These certain individuals, particularly most NBA enthusiasts like to refer to Larry Bird's famous quote after he scored 63 points against his team as "God disgued as Michael Jordan".

    Nobody nominated him a pope or whatever, but there's been obvious indication to my view point that certain fanatics prop him to some sort of weird deity or an untouchable... and we've seen the same thing with the Kobe and LeBron here too with the "da gawd" bullshit, not that I've seen most crazed Jordan fans do it here, but have seen it on sites (YouTube comes to mind).


    Back on topic, Jordan probably did get hyped a lot but he also produced at a high level, broke records, etc etc... so if someone can live up to the hype and then some, then it's all good. The person off the court doesn't concern me in terms of basketball talk.

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    Strange how that article criticizes Jordan for being a "monument to the self" and bland capitalist puppet... only to praise the notoriously egotistic Nixon supporter Wilt Chamberlain, very much Jordan's predecessor as a media figure (granted, he was a nicer person, but still).

    Let those guys be. They're ball players, stop overinterpreting everything they do or say.

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    People acting as if MJ didn't surpass all the hype time and time again.

    Most ironic part is the biggest detractors in this thread are Kobe fans, a player that was pushed and shoved down our throats as the next MJ time and time again before he proved anything. Kobe was hailed as someday surpassing MJ and then FAIL. How many times has the media pronounced "the mamba has the ball, the best closer in the NBA" and then brick? Or "here comes that man" and brick after brick. Yeah label me a hater all y'all want these are FACTS.

    FACT is MJ never lost in the finals, and almost always delivered when it mattered.

    So perhaps MJ was pushed down our throats.

    But guess what?

    He not just backed up the hype, he surpassed it.

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    Default Re: Promotion of Jordan was shoved in America's throats more than any player by the NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by andgar923
    People acting as if MJ didn't surpass all the hype time and time again.

    Most ironic part is the biggest detractors in this thread are Kobe fans, a player that was pushed and shoved down our throats as the next MJ time and time again before he proved anything. Kobe was hailed as someday surpassing MJ and then FAIL. How many times has the media pronounced "the mamba has the ball, the best closer in the NBA" and then brick? Or "here comes that man" and brick after brick. Yeah label me a hater all y'all want these are FACTS.

    FACT is MJ never lost in the finals, and almost always delivered when it mattered.

    So perhaps MJ was pushed down our throats.

    But guess what?

    He not just backed up the hype, he surpassed it.
    As Harvard journalist already detailed Jordan continues to fall short of the hype. The mythology surrounding him has little basis in reality. Apparently you are under the impression that Jordan never missed a shot with the game on the line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMan
    Oh and that last sentence is a real doozy, "winning isn't everything",
    ''there are a whole lot of things more important than basketball''

    -Phil Jackson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    As Harvard journalist already detailed Jordan continues to fall short of the hype. The mythology surrounding him has little basis in reality. Apparently you are under the impression that Jordan never missed a shot with the game on the line.
    Umm, Jordan was never hyped up as some civil rights activist that was going to save the world from any injustice. And contrary to perception and what that article states, Jordan was never hyped up as someone that was immune to criticism, specifically from criticism for the off the court matters. He was simply hyped up as a great basketball player, and specifically one of the most dominant athletes of one of the most popular sports in the modern era. Thats it, and he clearly surpassed that hype by basically getting into the conversation of being arguably the greatest athlete EVER.

    In fact, the only reason people criticize him for not standing up for black people, being a corporate pitchman, not speaking against sweatshops, etc. is because of the fact that he got this big in the first place, despite the fact that he was never hyped up to be this activist in the first place. Jordan's not the first celebrity, or the first black celebrity, to not make social issues one of his focuses.

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    Default Re: Promotion of Jordan was shoved in America's throats more than any player by the NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
    As Harvard journalist already detailed Jordan continues to fall short of the hype. The mythology surrounding him has little basis in reality. Apparently you are under the impression that Jordan never missed a shot with the game on the line.
    You are 100 percent correct, all those Jordan advertisements and hype created by the NBA and Nike made it out that Jordan was this infallible creature who never missed a shot with the game on the line.

    Except for the ad where he says exactly how many shots he's missed with the game on the line.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuXZFQKKF7A

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    Quote Originally Posted by winwin
    ''there are a whole lot of things more important than basketball''

    -Phil Jackson
    Says the guy with 13 NBA titles

    The number one goal for a basketball team is to win a title. Don't kid yourself. It's not the end of the world if you never win one but it is a huge disappointment and you move on...and it does affect legacies. Karl Malone and Charles Barkley would be higher up in GOAT ranks if they had chips, Bill Russell wouldn't smell top ten if he had zero titles...
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