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    He has 111 today. I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
    MJ and Kobe combined do not even equal Wilt's 271.





    This graphic says it all. Jordan led the league in FGA per game perenially; even at age 38 he was 2nd in FGA per game.
    Still shot 47% in the process.

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    Yeah--on average. He took 20+ at minimum every night regardless of how he was shooting. See his 1993 game logs, for example. http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/1993/

    4 for 20
    6 for 19
    9 for 27
    5 for 14
    10 for 28
    9 for 25
    13 for 36
    8 for 22
    13 for 34
    10 for 26
    8 for 20
    10 for 25
    9 for 22
    12 for 29

    This is a guy who came from the baseball field and put up 28 shots out the gate (on 25% shooting), even though a teammate scored 31 on 55% in the same game.
    Last edited by Roundball_Rock; 02-23-2013 at 12:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Money 23
    No, by 1990 / 1991 MJ was having to pull his personal game back for the betterment of a team in contention for a championship. He was having to be a responsible leader.

    As Loki said, he also didn't focus solely on scoring, allowing other aspects to his game in the Kobe comparison sake, defense, to take nose dives in order to put up volume scoring numbers.

    And while one could make the argument MJ had his early years '85 - '89 where he was on a bad team, in his athletic prime being able to score as much as he wanted to ... the give and take to that is Kobe during his early years was already putting championships on his resume by helping an all-time great in Shaquille O'Neal. He got rings on his resume instead of scoring titles.

    But the BULK of Kobe's 40+ point games came at his absolute peak / prime in a two to three year stretch 2006 - 2008. Not just his athletic prime like Jordan from '85 - '89 but his total prime / peak. Meaning the greatest combination he'd have in terms of physical ability, skill, and knowledge (championship level knowledge and experience at that)

    Players usually peak at 27, 28, 29 and sometimes 30 years old. That's usually the area of their best stretch. They are still young enough to have all the physical advantages, stamina, athleticism, with just enough experience, maturity, and years of honed skill set and basketball intelligence.

    Kobe in his absolute PEAK years was playing on a team headed NO WHERE, where he was allowed to cheat and relax on defense and put up the best scoring numbers he could in a coincidental couple season where league wide rules changed to aid the perimeter player. Not taking away from Kobe, as he's one of the greatest, but this is the truth ... and this is a counter argument to your ridiculous claim.

    So, Kobe's best 40 point seasons came at his peak, when that's all he was asked to do was score on teams not competing for championships. Meanwhile ...

    MJ at 27, 28, 29, and 30 years old ... also known as HIS PEAK was busy being the floor general and utility man for a team competing for rings. You put PEAK Michael Jordan (1991, 1992, 1993 versions) on a team the caliber of the 2006, 2007, and 2008 Lakers (pre Gasol) and tell him he can relax on defense and focus on scoring?!!!!

    His numbers would be MONSTEROUS. MJ was at his absolute best from '91 - '93. Virtually all the athleticism of '85 - '89 MJ, with even more skill, maturity, and experience. I shutter to think what '91, or '92, or '93 MJ would do from a scoring perspective with a non championship caliber team.

    Imagine what MJ could do if say he faced the lowly Clippers and wanted to have a self indulgent scoring game?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Glide2keva
    He has 111 today. I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roundball_Rock
    Yeah--on average. He took 20+ at minimum every night regardless of how he was shooting. See his 1993 game logs, for example. http://www.basketball-reference.com/.../gamelog/1993/

    4 for 20
    6 for 19
    9 for 27
    5 for 14
    10 for 28
    9 for 25
    13 for 36
    8 for 22
    13 for 34
    10 for 26
    8 for 20
    10 for 25
    9 for 22
    12 for 29

    This is a guy who came from the baseball field and put up 28 shots out the gate (on 25% shooting), even though a teammate scored 31 on 55% in the same game.
    Why are you in this thread? Pippen hasn't been mentioned once. Just change your avatar to a Kobe face and stop the charade.

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    Default Re: Kobe, Jordan, and 40 point games.

    What are the numbers for 30 point games and 50 point games for each player?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tking714
    What are the numbers for 30 point games and 50 point games for each player?
    Most 30 point games alltime (Regular Season)

    MJ - 562
    Wilt - 515
    K. Malone - 435
    Kareem - 429
    Kobe - 406
    Oscar - 387
    West - 350
    Wilkins - 346
    Iverson - 345
    Baylor - 343

    http://www.nbastats.net/01NBA/02more...s07-Regsea.xls (I updated Kobe's)

    I can't find the full list of 50 point games but I know the top 3 in the regular season

    Wilt - 118
    MJ - 31
    Kobe - 24

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce Bigalow
    Most 30 point games alltime (Regular Season)

    MJ - 562
    Wilt - 515
    K. Malone - 435
    Kareem - 429
    Kobe - 406
    Oscar - 387
    West - 350
    Wilkins - 346
    Iverson - 345
    Baylor - 343

    http://www.nbastats.net/01NBA/02more...s07-Regsea.xls (I updated Kobe's)

    I can't find the full list of 50 point games but I know the top 3 in the regular season

    Wilt - 118
    MJ - 31
    Kobe - 24
    Thanks. I figured Jordan was the more consistent 30ppg scorer. Wilt was capable of getting Monster games, but he fluctuated a bit more.

    MJ's 30 point games must have been on the higher end of the spectrum (ie. more games in the 36 - 39 ppg range) than the other players as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammdogg
    Kobe Bryant, who scored only 26 points in the Lakers' win over the Blazers on Sunday, topped the 40-point mark for the 94th time of his career in a victory over the Jazz on Friday. Here is a look at where he ranks on the all-time list.

    Most career 40-point games
    Wilt Chamberlain 271
    Michael Jordan 173
    Kobe Bryant 94
    Elgin Baylor 88
    Allen Iverson 79

    Source: ESPN


    Do u think kobe will pass MJ in 40 point games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tking714
    Thanks. I figured Jordan was the more consistent 30ppg scorer. Wilt was capable of getting Monster games, but he fluctuated a bit more.

    MJ's 30 point games must have been on the higher end of the spectrum (ie. more games in the 36 - 39 ppg range) than the other players as well
    Funny you should say that. Speaking of high scoring games, Jordan has by far the most games of 47-49 points after Wilt. Kobe is close enough in terms of 50 point games (in the regular season, that is), trailing MJ's 31 games of 50+ points with 24 games of 50+ of his own. However, look at what each of them did in the 46-49 point range. Here are the number of games they've scored exactly that number of points in the regular season:


    Jordan:

    46 pts - 7 games
    47 pts - 9 games
    48 pts - 3 games
    49 pts - 9 games

    Kobe:

    46 pts - 5 games
    47 pts - 1 game
    48 pts - 4 games
    49 pts - 1 game

    As you can see, no one is close to Jordan in terms of high scoring games in the modern era. Crazy that he had 9 games of 49 points - think of how many game of 50+ he could have had! He conceivably could have had 10+ more games of 50+ points on his resume.

    When you look at the playoffs, it's an even bigger discrepancy:


    Jordan:

    46 pts - 5 games
    47 pts - 2 games
    48 pts - 2 games
    49 pts - 2 games

    Kobe:

    46 pts - 0 games
    47 pts - 0 games
    48 pts - 1 game
    49 pts - 1 game

    Again, a huge gulf. And Jordan is already way out in front in terms of 50+ point games in the playoffs (8 for MJ versus 1 for Kobe). Then ad these games of 46-49 points in there as well and it's easy to see why MJ was the most dominant playoff performer in history.


    Hey Roundball Rock, that graphic is from the second three-peat and in the playoffs. Maybe the reason that Jordan had to take so many shots was because your boy Pippen was stinking up the joint with 39.0%, 41.7%, and 41.5% FG in the '96-'98 postseasons despite much lower ppg volume than MJ (16.9, 19.2, and 16.2 ppg in those postseasons) and seeing far less defensive attention than Jordan. Maybe if Pippen were more efficient and didn't disappear offensively those postseasons he would have warranted more shot attempts.
    Last edited by OldSchoolBBall; 02-23-2013 at 03:26 PM.

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    Default Re: Kobe, Jordan, and 40 point games.

    put kobe on any other team then the lakers for his first 10+ years and he would have 250+ right now. fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rysio
    put kobe on any other team then the lakers for his first 10+ years and he would have 250+ right now. fact.
    Assuming he had a bad team for the entire 10 years, sure, maybe. Jordan would have had about 400+ if that were the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSchoolBBall
    Assuming he had a bad team for the entire 10 years, sure, maybe. Jordan would have had about 400+ if that were the case.
    he was on bad teams from 85-90 and 01-03. thats about 10 years where his 400 at?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldSchoolBBall
    Assuming he had a bad team for the entire 10 years, sure, maybe. Jordan would have had about 400+ if that were the case.
    In just the '87 and '88 seasons alone, he had 55 total 40+ games. He had an additional twelve games of 40+ through the first 57 games of the '89 season before the move to PG when he was averaging 11 apg, but still had a streak of 3 consecutive 40+ games after the move. More impressively, he had 21 games with 40+ in the '90 season on a 55 win team. And during these pre-championship years, he had three 40+ games in the '88 playoffs, 7 in the '89 playoffs and 6 in the '90 playoffs in addition to a lone 40+ game in the '87 playoffs.

    So in just 4 seasons, that's 91 regular season 40+ games and 17 in the playoffs in just 46 playoff games during that time. To put that in perspective, I looked it up a while ago, and no recent player has even approached 17 40+ playoff games in their entire career. The closest have been Kobe at 13, Shaq at 12, Hakeem and Lebron at 11 and Iverson at 10.

    I have wondered what '90-'92 MJ would have on the '87 and '88 Bulls individually. What he did in the 90's was more impressive, but it's interesting to think of prime MJ in a position to score as much as possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rysio
    he was on bad teams from 85-90 and 01-03. thats about 10 years where his 400 at?
    I know I shouldn't bother since you're trolling, but this will only take a second. 39/40 years old with the Wizards, a rookie in '85, missed most of the '86 season and had his minutes limited when he did play, and the '90 team doesn't qualify as a bad team, they contended for a title.

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