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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Well according to the stupid logic on ISH, he better win this ring, because if he loses he will no longer be perfect in the Finals. If Duncan loses in the Finals his legacy will take a hit, because according to many, losing in the Finals is worse than not even making it to the Finals.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
If he wins the Finals MVP.
1 Jordan
2 Russell
3 Wilt
4 Magic
5 Bird
6 Kareem
7 Duncan
8 Kobe
9 Shaq
10 Hakeem
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by fpliii
No disrespect to Cap, but if Duncan has a dominant finish to this run I might give him that edge.
There is no way Duncan could be ranked ahead of KAJ.
If you do not remember; KAJ was the FMVP in 1985 at his 38 while averaging 26/9/5/2/1 on 60% against Parish&McHale.
Peak, longevity, accolades. Whatever you say a criteria, KAJ has the edge. I guess the only criteria that Duncan being better than KAJ is being a franchise player. But that doesn't mean KAJ was a bad franchise player.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by Odinn
There is no way Duncan could be ranked ahead of KAJ.
If you do not remember; KAJ was the FMVP in 1985 at his 38 while averaging 26/9/5/2/1 on 60% against Parish&McHale.
Peak, longevity, accolades. Whatever you say a criteria, KAJ has the edge. I guess the only criteria that Duncan being better than KAJ is being a franchise player. But that doesn't mean KAJ was a bad franchise player.
and he should have won the 1980 FMVP.
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NBA Superstar
Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by CJ Mustard
How does 5 rings + 3 Finals MVP's not = Greatest winner of the era? Who has a better resume than that?
I swear Kobe fans don't even understand basic math.
How does a five year drought between finals appearances with two first round exits and zero back-to-back titles make him the "greatest winner of our era"? Are you really that stupid that a team only "wins" if they win in the finals, but if they lose repeatedly in the playoffs, it doesn't count?
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by KG215
Depends on how he plays. If he has a good series and wins FMVP, I'd bump him up to 7th ahead of Shaq. Although I'd still take peak Shaq over peak Duncan, Duncan winning a 5th ring as the team's best or second best player this late in his career would be too much to ignore.
I would put him ahead of Shaq already. He never played with a top 15 all time player like Kobe but still lead his team to Championships pus he has had been great for so long.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
It is crazy to see TMac win a ring and not play large minutes to contribute. but Duncan, man if he wins he's going up to Magic and Bird status automatic.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
I rank Duncan above Kobe right now.
4 rings as the main man > 2 rings as the Main man + 3 rings as a sidekick
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
It'd be pretty cool if he gets F-MVP.
He'll have three(four total) Finals MVP in three different decades. 90's, 2000's and 2010's(if it happens).
That's gotta be the first time ever.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by Odinn
There is no way Duncan could be ranked ahead of KAJ.
If you do not remember; KAJ was the FMVP in 1985 at his 38 while averaging 26/9/5/2/1 on 60% against Parish&McHale.
Peak, longevity, accolades. Whatever you say a criteria, KAJ has the edge. I guess the only criteria that Duncan being better than KAJ is being a franchise player. But that doesn't mean KAJ was a bad franchise player.
Recency bias and overreaction.
I tend to underrate KAJ to a massive extent at times, so best not to take my comments on him too seriously. I do think a case could be made to legitimately put them in the same approximate class of player though if TD finishes super strong.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
I rank Duncan above Kobe right now.
4 rings as the main man > 2 rings as the Main man + 3 rings as a sidekick
So Kobe is just a sidekick, but Parker's FMVP can be ignored (as well as Horry and Manu being decisive factors in 05).
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National High School Star
Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by SpecialQue
How does a five year drought between finals appearances with two first round exits and zero back-to-back titles make him the "greatest winner of our era"? Are you really that stupid that a team only "wins" if they win in the finals, but if they lose repeatedly in the playoffs, it doesn't count?
Kobe had a 4 year drought. Lebron had a 4 year drought. Shaq's last trip was in '06. Nobody from this era consistently gets to the Finals. Duncan would be tied for the most rings of this era, and already has the most FMVP's (along with Shaq).
Who from this era could say they have a better resume than Duncan if he wins this year? Nobody. Thus, he's the greatest winner of the era. Need me to walk you through anything else?
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NBA Legend
Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by MavsSuperFan
4 rings as the main man > 2 rings as the Main man + 3 rings as a role player watching Shaq's one man show
Fixed
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
I always find it amusing how in comparison to every other Top 10 GOAT on ISH, Tim Duncan never gets flak for having a high quality team around him. Everyone just assumes he's always played with mediocre or shitty teammates.
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Re: If Duncan gets that 5th ring....
Originally Posted by CJ Mustard
Kobe had a 4 year drought. Lebron had a 4 year drought. Shaq's last trip was in '06. Nobody from this era consistently gets to the Finals. Duncan would be tied for the most rings of this era, and already has the most FMVP's (along with Shaq).
Who from this era could say they have a better resume than Duncan if he wins this year? Nobody. Thus, he's the greatest winner of the era. Need me to walk you through anything else?
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