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Old 05-22-2013, 11:39 AM   #229
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Default Re: #apples2oranges

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Originally Posted by Poochymama
It's really not all that ridiculous if you look at it objectively. Jordan spent 6 years with real championship caliber talent around him, and he won 6 championships on those 6 years. You think it's ridiculous to hypothesize that he'd win a couple more given the 7-8 more chances that Kobe had?

Here are my thoughts on the comparison. And since Kobe played more years, I'll give him an advantage where he starts in Jordan's position at ages where he was better, plus it makes it easier since Kobe's last year would've been 1998 with the Bulls so it better aligns. Jordan still starts in 97 though since the topic is about him being in the same career path and would have the apparent "burden" of playing with Shaq. I'm taking into account their injuries, off the court distractions, etc. Keep in mind, there careers overlap a bit in 97 and 98.

1982 - 1997 Kobe (No playoffs)
1983 - 1998 Kobe (No playoffs)
1984 - 1999 Kobe (No playoffs)
1985 - 2000 Kobe (No playoffs) (Hakeem-ROY)
1986 - 2001 Kobe (8th seed first round exit vs Celtics, scoring title)
1987 - 2002 Kobe (8th seed first round exit vs Celtics, scoring title)
1988 - 2003 Kobe (7th seed first round exit vs Pistons, scoring title) (Bird-MVP)
1989 - 2004 Kobe (No playoffs)
1990 - 2005 Kobe (6th seed first round exit vs. Celtics)
1991 - 2006 Kobe (1st seed Championship vs. Lakers, FMVP, MVP, scoring title)
1992 - 2007 Kobe (1st seed Championship vs. Blazers, MVP, scoring title)
1993 - 2008 Kobe (2nd seed ECF exit vs. Knicks) (Knicks over Suns in Finals)
1994 - 2009 Kobe (1st seed Championship vs. Rockets, FMVP)
1995 - 2010 Kobe (2nd seed ECSF exit vs. Knicks)
1996 - 2011 Kobe (1st seed ECF exit vs. Magic) (Magic over Sonics in Finals, Robinson-MVP)
1997 - 2012 Kobe, 1985 Jordan (2nd seed Lakers championship vs. 2nd seed Bulls) (Shaq-FMVP)
1998 - 2013 Kobe, 1986 Jordan (5th seed Bulls ECSF exit vs. Pacers, 2nd seed Lakers championship vs. Pacers, FMVP) (Malone-MVP)
1999 - 1987 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Knicks) (Shaq-FMVP, Shaq-MVP)
2000 - 1988 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Pacers) (Shaq-FMVP)
2001 - 1989 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. 76ers, FMVP, MVP)
2002 - 1990 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Nets, scoring title) (Shaq-FMVP)
2003 - 1991 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Nets, FMVP, MVP)
2004 - 1992 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Pistons, FMVP, MVP, scoring title)
2005 - 1993 Jordan (6th seed WCSF exit vs. Spurs, MVP, scoring title)
2006 - 1994 Jordan (retired)
2007 - 1995 Jordan (No playoffs)
2008 - 1996 Jordan (1st seed Lakers Finals loss vs. Celtics, MVP, scoring title)
2009 - 1997 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Magic, FMVP)
2010 - 1998 Jordan (1st seed Lakers championship vs. Celtics, FMVP)

I know it doesn't look very organized but I have:

Kobe - 3x champ, 4x Finalist, 2x MVP, 3x FMVP, 5x scoring champ
Jordan - 10x champ, 11x Finalist, 5x MVP, 6x FMVP, 4x scoring champ

Now I would agree that some are arguable, so I would give them the following ranges:

Kobe - 3x-5x champ, 3x-5x Finalist, 3x-5x FMVP, 2x-3x MVP, 3x-6x scoring champ
Jordan - 8x-11x champ, 9x-11x Finalist, 4x-8x FMVP, 3x-5x MVP, 2x-4x scoring champ.

I didn't look to deep into the FMVP for Jordan and Shaq, but I'm going to assume they just split their's. You can argue Kobe's legacy might look better then it currently is, but I think the gap between Jordan and Kobe is clearly perceived as wider.
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