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Old 09-20-2012, 02:07 PM   #36
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Default Re: Better Player: Scottie Pippen or John Havlicek?

Originally Posted by Raz
So he is going to be penalized for being an ironman? Pippen didn't play that many minutes, and his career was still shorter, shittier and without the same peak.

You lost all credibility when you called Pippen's career shittier.

I'm going to go ahead an say that Pippen was the better defender, but I to say he is the best ever is debatable.

He is the GOAT perimeter defender. That's not debatable.

So why didn't he put up higher scoring numbers if he was so great as a number one option?

Because he had other responsibilities. He had to take an even larger role on D and had to set up for his teammates. 22 PPG considering he had larger responsibilities in other areas is pretty damn good. He was averaging just under 9 RPG, almost 6 APG, and 3 SPG. How many points did you expect from him, 30?

The fact that they were Jordan-less and played more like a team may have something to do with that.

Or the fact that Pippen played a large role in guys like Horace Grant and B.J. Armstrong having career years. Not to mention Armstrong was an All-Star, deservedly or not.

Different eras. Havlicek never had the benefit of playing with a 3 point line. Perimeter players FG% rose after the introduction of the 3 point line.

He did start shooting threes on a somewhat consistent basis until '95. And during the first 3-peat, he very seldom shot threes.

As a number 1 option, he is still far behind the kind of output we saw from Havlicek.

Bring Havlicek down to 36-37 MPG and we'll see how his output looks.
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