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					  Originally Posted by  paksat
					
				 
				you have to back up words with facts 
he's a billionaire
 
explain dumb or go to the corner    
			
		 
	 
 He inherited wealth you goddamn buffoon. He’s proven to be a terrible businessman hence the multiple bankruptcies  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  RRR3
					
				 
				Says the Trump supporter    
			
		 
	 
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					06-25-2019, 05:56 PM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  RRR3
					
				 
				Says the Trump supporter    
			
		 
	 
 Another poor assumption of the snowflake community. I have no affiliation with Trump. So why should I support him?  
 
I merely see from an unbias perspective. Snowflakes can't handle criticism to their irrational behavior.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  DaHeezy
					
				 
				Another poor assumption of the snowflake community. I have no affiliation with Trump. So why should I support him?  
 
I merely see from an unbias perspective. Snowflakes can't handle criticism to their irrational behavior. 
			
		 
	 
 if you are unbiased then the default is Trump supporter   I can't wait till he wins a 2nd term the melt will be 2016 proportional
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					06-25-2019, 07:12 PM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  RRR3
					
				 
				Says the Trump supporter    
			
		 
	 
 You only care about what the "world" thinks about the US when they agree with you.  
 
There are multiple non-american trump supporters in this thread but you brush them aside. Those that hate trump? "OMG Trump is an embarrassment on the world scale." 
 
Completely irrational.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					06-25-2019, 07:38 PM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  paksat
					
				 
				you have to back up words with facts 
he's a billionaire
 
explain dumb or go to the corner    
			
		 
	 
  
1. He's never proved he is a billionaire. He got exposed for lying to Forbes. We know the value of his properties, but we don't know how much debt he has on them. He defaulted on so many loans that American banks have mostly blackballed him. 
 
2. He inherited a profile of real estate from his father that would be worth billions now....he sold it right away to fund his casinos that failed (and Trump Tower, that is still around). 
 
3. His dad made fake companies in his kid's names and then used them to bill his own company, to get money to his kids and bypass the estate tax (NY State is investigating. Trump might end up owing 200 million in dodged taxes). 
 
4. Trump tower has had extensive Russian mafia activity. They literally broke up a massive gambling right directly a floor below Trump's own apartment. He personally signed off on cash sales to people who were later arrested for laundering mob money using Trump's properties. Most developers ask buyers to prove where the money came from in order to avoid this....Trump doesn't 
 
 
He's a crook, a liar, and a con. 
 
Under the Magnitsky Act, a lot of Russian oligarchs can't invest in America or the EU, so they use folks like Trump to launder their money. The Magnitsky Act was passed because Magnitsky exposed Russian oligarchs stealing hundreds of millions of ta  
 dollars...so they had him arrested and tortured to death in jail. 
 
 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...tus4dIlY_W3s58 
 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.wa...outputType=amp
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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							Why does anyone ever care about the political opinon from any black person? 
 
They all vote 96% democrat every god damn time. 
 
If Hitler ran as a democrat he'd win the black vote easy. 
 
Stupid is as stupid votes.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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							11 page thread for this shit?  
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  90sgoat
					
				 
				Why does anyone ever care about the political opinon from any black person? 
 
They all vote 96% democrat every god damn time. 
 
If Hitler ran as a democrat he'd win the black vote easy. 
 
Stupid is as stupid votes. 
			
		 
	 
 Ever since Nixon the Republicans have made it their strategy to win the South by embracing any policy that hurts black folks and gets whites on their side. Here is Reagan's campaign consultant explaining the strategy. You can find the entire interview on YouTube.  
 
https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ 
 
 
"In 1954 you start out by saying N****, N*****, N*****" 
 
I have a Master's degree in History. This is my shit.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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					  Originally Posted by  ralph_i_el
					
				 
				1. He's never proved he is a billionaire. He got exposed for lying to Forbes. We know the value of his properties, but we don't know how much debt he has on them. He defaulted on so many loans that American banks have mostly blackballed him. 
2. He inherited a profile of real estate from his father that would be worth billions now....he sold it right away to fund his casinos that failed (and Trump Tower, that is still around).
 
3. His dad made fake companies in his kid's names and then used them to bill his own company, to get money to his kids and bypass the estate tax (NY State is investigating. Trump might end up owing 200 million in dodged taxes).
 
4. Trump tower has had extensive Russian mafia activity. They literally broke up a massive gambling right directly a floor below Trump's own apartment. He personally signed off on cash sales to people who were later arrested for laundering mob money using Trump's properties. Most developers ask buyers to prove where the money came from in order to avoid this....Trump doesn't
 
He's a crook, a liar, and a con.
 
Under the Magnitsky Act, a lot of Russian oligarchs can't invest in America or the EU, so they use folks like Trump to launder their money. The Magnitsky Act was passed because Magnitsky exposed Russian oligarchs stealing hundreds of millions of ta  
 dollars...so they had him arrested and tortured to death in jail.
 https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...tus4dIlY_W3s58
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.wa...outputType=amp 
			
		 
	 
 Isn't all that stuff still alleged? Number 2 definitely looks bad I'll agree with you.  
 
I applaud his father for trying to evade estate taxes. Those are immoral and unethical.  
 
I'd still rather have someone like Trump than a lawyer, activist or political science major who wants to be in politics for life.  
 
Also, many people, like myself, don't care as much about character and judge the actions of policy decisions. Bush was a despicable piece of shit but you have people here trying to claim he's a good dude that cares about people. It's hard to take people like that seriously when they try to make moral and ethical high grounds over Trump. These individuals are brainwashed to hate the guy - and normally can't name anything he's done policy wise and critique it.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					06-25-2019, 07:54 PM
				
			
			
				
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					  Originally Posted by  ralph_i_el
					
				 
				Ever since Nixon the Republicans have made it their strategy to win the South by embracing any policy that hurts black folks and gets whites on their side. Here is Reagan's campaign consultant explaining the strategy. You can find the entire interview on YouTube.  
https://youtu.be/X_8E3ENrKrQ
I have a Master's degree in History. This is my shit.  
			
		 
	 
 So you make coffee at starbucks then? 
 
The southern strategy and party switch is such a tired and misleading claim. The segregationists that Joe Biden said he had to work with were all democrats well past the civil rights acts.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Hawker
					
				 
				Isn't all that stuff still alleged? Number 2 definitely looks bad I'll agree with you.  
 
I applaud his father for trying to evade estate taxes. Those are immoral and unethical.  
 
I'd still rather have someone like Trump than a lawyer, activist or political science major who wants to be in politics for life.  
 
Also, many people, like myself, don't care as much about character and judge the actions of policy decisions. Bush was a despicable piece of shit but you have people here trying to claim he's a good dude that cares about people. It's hard to take people like that seriously when they try to make moral and ethical high grounds over Trump. These individuals are brainwashed to hate the guy - and normally can't name anything he's done policy wise and critique it. 
			
		 
	 
  
2-3 are alleged. The Russian mob folks have been arrested in the past in Trump Tower.  
 
Trump hasn't ever proven he's a billionaire, that's not an allegation either. It's just something he hasn't done. According to his lawyer, they falsified documents attesting to his worth when trying to get a loan to buy the Buffalo Bills. 
 
I think inheritance is immoral and unethical to begin with. I understand passing down a plot of land that you live on, or family treasures. Passing down thousands of apartment units though? Isn't that just an aristocracy at a certain point?
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
				
				
				
					
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							Raptors are a Canadian team, the last Canadian team to win a major sports title didn't get an invite either.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  ralph_i_el
					
				 
				2-3 are alleged. The Russian mob folks have been arrested in the past in Trump Tower.  
 
I think inheritance is immoral and unethical to begin with. 
			
		 
	 
 How is the government stealing from someone against their will supposedly more ethical than that individual, through their own voluntary choice, designating who gets their wealth? There's no case to be made for that at all. 
 
I know the russian mob folks have been arrested but you're making the inference that there's a connection - of which there is no proof of. That part is alleged.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
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					  Originally Posted by  Hawker
					
				 
				So you make coffee at starbucks then? 
 
The southern strategy and party switch is such a tired and misleading claim. The segregationists that Joe Biden said he had to work with were all democrats well past the civil rights acts. 
			
		 
	 
 I used to work in investment banking, and now I'm in education. My first degree was finance (specializing in banking services). I basically managed people's retirement funds.  
 
 
Democrats are mostly shit too. We basically have 4 parties right now, compressed into 2 by our election rules.  
 
1. The Trump Wing. (I could go on and on about how people end up being huge Trump fans, but we all kind of get it by now). 
 
2. Corporate Republicans (Mitch McConnell etc...). These guys used to own the party until Trump came along. They line up on the right of social issues (gay rights, guns, drugs....). They support subsidizing business and an interventionist foreign policy.  
 
3. Corporate Democrats (The Nancy and Chuck wing). They line up on the left of social issues (gay rights, guns, drugs....). They support subsidizing business and an interventionist foreign policy.  
 
Corporate R's and D's are really only different on social issues. These "wedge" social issues just serve to keep workers divided. 
 
4. The Left. For a lot of America's history, the Left was openly repressed by the police. We have a bloody history of labor riots up until WW2. After WW2, the socialist left was purged from the government and major media sources. The Left has made a come back thanks to the Iraq War and 2008 Great Recession. Bernie Sanders is pretty much a centrist Dem from the 1930s on financial issues and taxes. Obviously he's far to the left of them on social issues.
						 
					 
					
				 
			 
			
			
		 
	 
		
	 
 
		 
		
		
	
 
	
	
 
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
	
		
		
			
				 
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