No point in keeping Bennett if you get Love. He's getting basically zero minutes behind LeBron. Wiggins is a great match for LeBron.
That said, if the Cavs get Dieng, holy shit.. I love the kid, think he's the perfect match up front for Love.
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No point in keeping Bennett if you get Love. He's getting basically zero minutes behind LeBron. Wiggins is a great match for LeBron.
That said, if the Cavs get Dieng, holy shit.. I love the kid, think he's the perfect match up front for Love.
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]would Wiggins+Fillers from Utah work?[/QUOTE]
Love's contract is $15.7 million.
Wiggins just signed a deal starting at $5.5 million. The players we received for Utah amount to about $3.3 million.
Still not there.
[QUOTE=DMAVS41]It wouldn't be that hard actually.
Wiggins, Haywood, and all those unguaranteed contracts would be enough I think.[/QUOTE]
Haywood is a potentially important piece for us, though. You're talking essentially an $11 million trade exception next year. If we move him, it's no longer just "Wiggins and filler for Love."
For a team over the cap, having a contract to move like Haywood's could be huge.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Love's contract is $15.7 million.
Wiggins just signed a deal starting at $5.5 million. The players we received for Utah amount to about $3.3 million.
Still not there.[/QUOTE]
The Cavs would have to get to roughly 11 million in order to make it work.
You include Haywood's 2 million and one more contract and I think you are there.
[QUOTE=RedBlackAttack]Haywood is a potentially important piece for us, though. You're talking essentially an $11 million trade exception next year. If we move him, it's no longer just "Wiggins and filler for Love."[/QUOTE]
Oh I agree....but I was talking about a way to keep Bennett for you guys.
[QUOTE]It's the other shit that makes me want to throw up. Wasting valuable cap on Martin. Losing the Haywood contract. Not getting back Dieng. Including a first rounder....or potentially two in order to get Barea to a 3rd team. Losing future pick and assets to get unguaranteed money.
It's all that other stuff that is the problem.[/QUOTE]
There isnt a chance in hell anyone cares about any of that in 6 months. Total so what background details for obsessive internet types to make a big deal out of while having little to no negative impact on a basketball team.
Martin....a 19ppg mid to late prime scorer for 6.8 million...
Makes you a better team.
Jj....a 4.5 million dollar expiring deal?
Total so what. Take him or dont. Take him and move him...its what expiring deals are for.
#27 picks? 29? you get like....2 borderline all stars every 5 years at those spots.
It just doesnt matter.
Not as far as basketball playing or missing out on additions.
Faried + Chandler + picks or whatever it takes without giving up Lawson/Gallo/AA for Love. Wait 30 days and trade Love to Cleveland for Wiggins and whatever to make the salaries match.
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The idea that we should just give away Bennett because we have Love is ridiculous, btw. You can't have enough good players. If the Cavs believe in Bennett's potential the way I do, having both he and Love is a great luxury. Hell, I could argue it will be even better for AB's growth to have the kind of player he should be shooting to become right here in Cleveland, on the roster.
Bennett is still just 21.
I seriously don't see why Minnesota is rejecting any offer for Love when he's a valuable asset now. Once Love becomes an free agent, Minnesota aint getting sh*t for him
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]There isnt a chance in hell anyone cares about any of that in 6 months. Total so what background details for obsessive internet types to make a big deal out of while having little to no negative impact on a basketball team.
Martin....a 19ppg mid to late prime scorer for 6.8 million...
Makes you a better team.
Jj....a 4.5 million dollar expiring deal?
Total so what. Take him or dont. Take him and move him...its what expiring deals are for.
#27 picks? 29? you get like....2 borderline all stars every 5 years at those spots.
It just doesnt matter.
Not as far as basketball playing or missing out on additions.[/QUOTE]
Yea...you just don't get team building.
You'd wake up with Martin capping you and being forced to sign vet minimum centers...assuming Andy can still play at a high level and isn't injured...
And you'd have no way in fixing the defense.
Irving - shit defender
Waiters - minus defender
Martin - shit defender
Love - average at best
Thompson - minus defender
Miller - minus defender
Allen - minus defender
Delladova - average
You'd be relying on aging Lebron and old Andy who's often injured.
That team likely won't win because of the defense.
It is for basketball reasons. That is what you keep ignoring. You think it's about air or something. No...you don't make those moves because you run out of chances to improve the defense.
Even with the huge cap increases that are coming...Waiters is due for a new deal after the next 2 years. Thompson is due for a new deal after this season. Love is due for his max. Lebron wants his true max and will wait until the tv deal likely.
That money is going to dry up and giving up all your picks and flexibility...while giving up the last 2 number 1 draft picks for Love is just dumb.
[QUOTE=imnew09]I seriously don't see why Minnesota is rejecting any offer for Love when he's a valuable asset now. Once Love becomes an free agent, Minnesota aint getting sh*t for him[/QUOTE]
You should check what year it is.
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]There isnt a chance in hell anyone cares about any of that in 6 months. Total so what background details for obsessive internet types to make a big deal out of while having little to no negative impact on a basketball team.
Martin....a 19ppg mid to late prime scorer for 6.8 million...
Makes you a better team.
Jj....a 4.5 million dollar expiring deal?
Total so what. Take him or dont. Take him and move him...its what expiring deals are for.
[B]#27 picks? 29?[/B] you get like....2 borderline all stars every 5 years at those spots.
It just doesnt matter.
Not as far as basketball playing or missing out on additions.[/QUOTE]
Where are you getting Nos. 27 & 29 picks? And, team-building is about more than just All-Stars. The Spurs showed you that in very clinical fashion a couple months ago. How soon we forget.
I think a lot of people are under the impression that Cavs fans shouldn't care about what happens with this franchise beyond the next three years. I care. Sorry.
Everyone realizes that training camp doesn't open for about 60 days right? So this "30 day waiting period" means nothing right? They'll just wait 30 days to make a trade official...
OK, just checking....
apparently they have to wait 60 days in order to use the utah fillers
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]apparently they have to wait 60 days in order to use the utah fillers[/QUOTE]
That is if we're over the cap. There is some disagreement on that matter.
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Continue to hear, despite Andrew Wiggins' name likely coming up in talks, Cavs have not offered him in any trade proposal.
Holding out hope... :confusedshrug: