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rhythmic †hesis 08-20-2013 01:14 PM

Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Cleveland Cavaliers: 66-16
M. Williams, Ilgauskas, D. West & Varejao
51 PPG, 21.3 RPG, 9.6 APG, 48 FG%, 79 FT%, 31 MPG, 3.7 SPG, 2.4 BPG, 6 TO/G & 63.9 PER

Orlando Magic: 59-23
Lewis, Turkoglu, Nelson & Alston
63.2 PPG, 17.4 RPG, 18 APG, 44 FG%, 81 FT%, 33 MPG, 4.8 SPG, 1 BPG, 8.4 TO/G, 67.8 PER

Denver Nuggets: 54-28
Iverson, Billups, JR Smith & Nene
66.4 PPG, 17.2 RPG, 17.3 APG, 48 FG%, 78 FT%, 34 MPG, 4.4 SPG, 2 BPG, 9.3 TO/G, 69.6 PER

Portland Trail Blazers: 54-28
Aldridge, Outlaw, Blake & Fernandez
52.3 PPG, 16.8 RPG, 9.9 APG, 45 FG%, 80 FT%, 31 MPG, 3.5 SPG, 2 BPG, 5.4 TO/G & 64.1 PER

Utah Jazz: 48-34
Okur, Boozer, Brewer & Milsap
60.4 PPG, 30.4 RPG, 7.8 APG, 50 FG%, 73 FT%, 32 MPG, 4.6 SPG, 2.3 BPG, 7 TO/G & 69.4 PER

SA Spurs: 54-28
Parker, Ginobili, Mason & Gooden
59.1 PPG, 15.1 RPG, 12.8 APG, 47 FG%, 84 FT%, 27 MPG, 3.1 SPG, 0.8 BPG, 6.6 TO/G & 77 PER

Dallas Mavericks: 50-32
Terry, Howard, Kidd & Bass
55.1 PPG, 18.2 RPG, 14.2 APG, 46 FG%, 84 FT%, 30 MPG, 4.7 SPG, 2.1 BPG, 6.7 TO/G, 69.6 PER

LA Lakers: 65-17
Gasol, Bynum, Odom & Fisher
54.4 PPG, 28.1 RPG, 10.7 APG, 51 FG%, 74 FT%, 31 MPG, 3.2 SPG, 4.2 BPG, 6.3 TO/G, 70.9 PER

I didn't include Boston Celtics since they were injured in the playoffs.
So that's 8 contenders, lets see how the best 4 players Kobe had during his championship year & 65 win season compares to some of the other stars.

So Kobe's best four players led the group in FG% & BPG, they are also the only group that has 2 centers in the mix, so it is to be somewhat expected.

Points: 6th
Rebounds: 2nd
Assists: 5th
FG%: 1st
FT%: 7th
MPG: Tied for 4th highest
Steals: 7th
Blocks: 1st
TO/G: 3rd lowest
PER: 2nd

That year Tony Parker made 3rd team All-NBA (as well as the All-Star game), as well as Chauncey Billups. McGrady was pretty banged up; Delonte West is clearly not on Pau's level.

So it's safe to call Pau Gasol the 2nd best option, especially come playoff time. I have no problem with that.

But tell me this, why do some of you persist on calling LA by far the deepest team in the league? Bynum was a non-factor in 2008/09 playoffs either, so if I replaced Ariza with Bynum those numbers would go down and LA wouldn't be #1 in blocks or FG%.

Yet somehow other superstars don't have enough talent around them, only Kobe had all the help in the world. :rolleyes:

By the way, 2009/10 numbers are even less in favour of the so called "Kobe has the deepest team" myth. :oldlol:

I'll assemble those numbers later, too lazy right now.
Cheers!

PS - I promise DMAV and a few other posters that I was having an argument with yesterday that I will post these numbers.

Doranku 08-20-2013 01:19 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
So basically Kobe's supporting cast was equal to or marginally better than 3 of the teams he faced in the playoffs...

DMavs got a lot of explaining to do. :oldlol:

Legends66NBA7 08-20-2013 01:20 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Only a healthy Celtics squad could truly compete with them come playoff time, IMO.

They were a well-rounded team.

fpliii 08-20-2013 01:22 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legends66NBA7
Only a healthy Celtics squad could truly compete with them come playoff time, IMO.

They were a well-rounded team.


This.

tpols 08-20-2013 01:26 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
If you switched melo and kobe out in the 2009 WCF.. Denver wins. Kobe had a monster series on both ends in that series and was by faaar the best player on the court. And denver had a ton of firepower and some good defensive role players. And then they obviously still whoop the magic.

Switch Kobe out for Deron and the Jazz when Carlos Boozer was a legit 20/10 guy, with Paul Millsap, a bunch of great shooters, and AK47 arent just as likely to win?


All of the teams LA faced on their way to the finals, if you took the perimeter star off their team and Kobe off LA, the talent pool was very similar. And Kobe was>>>> than the other teams perimeter star.

branslowski 08-20-2013 01:29 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Inb4 Dmavs, Tony Montana, KG215, and Silk:oldlol:


Factual on point thread...Been exposing posters with this for a while.:applause:

kurple 08-20-2013 01:30 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Iverson AND Billups? :biggums:

PickernRoller 08-20-2013 01:32 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Doranku
So basically Kobe's supporting cast was equal to or marginally better than 3 of the teams he faced in the playoffs...

DMavs got a lot of explaining to do. :oldlol:


DMAVs is Gino. That clown got banned for a reason. Dude is a straight retard and troll.

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Anyway nothing new to us. We all know everything spewed out there is just hate and trollism.

HurricaneKid 08-20-2013 01:33 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
The Lakers had the best 2nd option in 2010. Kobe.

Pau led the team in PER and WS in the regular season. Pau led the team in PER and WS in the Postseason. Pau led the team in PER and WS in the Finals.

But PPGz.

Legends66NBA7 08-20-2013 01:33 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PickernRoller
DMAVs is Gino. That clown got banned for a reason.


Except he didn't get banned.

rhythmic †hesis 08-20-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kurple
Iverson AND Billups? :biggums:


That was my bad, Iverson only played 3 games that year.
Replace Iverson with K.Martin, Denver actually improve in 6 categories.

PickernRoller 08-20-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Legends66NBA7
Except he didn't get banned.


Gino isn't banned?

tpols 08-20-2013 01:34 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
If you look at these numbers.. basically ANY team Kobe could easily win with, would be said to have carried him with their big men.:oldlol:



Okur Boozer Millsap? New big three! Best big men trio in the league while Pau/Odom recieve little attention getting bounced in the first round at best as they are led by Derek Fisher, Jordan Farmar, and Ron Artest on the perimeter and Bynum on the bench playing nintendo. Denver nuggets? Nene! Camby! DPOY center and offensive juggernaut to save the day.... it can go on and on.

KG215 08-20-2013 01:36 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by PickernRoller
Gino isn't banned?

Why would he get banned?

rhythmic †hesis 08-20-2013 01:36 PM

Re: Kobe's deepest team myth 2008/09 & 2009/10
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HurricaneKid
The Lakers had the best 2nd option in 2010. Kobe.

Pau led the team in PER and WS in the regular season. Pau led the team in PER and WS in the Postseason. Pau led the team in PER and WS in the Finals.

But PPGz.


Pau also made 3rd team All-NBA in 2009 & 2010.
Best 2nd option alongside Tony Parker? Sure. Heck, I'll even crown him the best 2nd option in the league, but Kobe having this gigantic advantage depth wise...being on the deepest team in the league is a complete myth.

The biggest difference between the teams Kobe faced in the playoffs, is KOBE. Everything else is marginal at best between the rosters.

Is it so hard to give the man credit, ever?


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