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[QUOTE=pegasus]Even to pair him with Lebron? You do realize you're saying that despite the fact that Lebron's style of play could do nothing for dominant centers who can't shoot, right?
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I'd imagine it would work something like Wade and Shaq did.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]I think it has to been made clear. It is:
1) Shaq + below average players and bench
Going through strong West playoffs with Blazers, Kings, etc and the possibility of hack-a-shaq
2) Wade+ Bosh + Ray + Battier and all their shooters
Going through a weak east as currently: no superstars
Which would be easier to win a ring?[/QUOTE]
I quote myself, to remind others who said Shaq: they're not going to win the championship. In the 2000's west, all they have to do is hack-a-shaq. Dwight got what, 36 free throws? Do that to Shaq every playoff game.
So what's Lebron going to do when he's all alone? Choke like old times. 2011 all over again.
Lebron+Shaq would be very easy for the spurs or other western teams to beat with team effort. The only reason they couldnt beat the lakers was because of Kobe. He was too clutch to give a damn if shaq got hacked.
and, if you put a prime kobe in today's Eastern conference with prime wade and bosh, please. easier ring than a lay-up.
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[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]I'd imagine it would work something like Wade and Shaq did.[/QUOTE]
People still think the "clog the lane" theory is a real thing.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=RoundMoundOfReb]I'd imagine it would work something like Wade and Shaq did.[/QUOTE]
I hate the guy, but Wade is one of the best slashers of all time, and his mid-range was money in 2006 (let's not forget the "zebras", but they would be in full effect for Lebron too, so that's a wash), which are two things Lebron cannot do consistently at an elite level.
Barreling into defenders is not slashing, and I can see him missing critical free throws, forcing him to overthink his drive and shoot instead (which usually becomes unreliable in the playoffs) and pass more, but who's gonna shoot/slash/create for him? Especially in the 4th quarters when Shaq is busy missing most of his own free throws.
Let's stop pretending that Lebron's style of play would work with most super stars. Bosh is an incredible shooter who came tailor made for Lebron, and Wade had to alter his game drastically to mesh with Lebron, and Riley went out and recruited every great shooter out there for him.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]It takes two to tango. No other star player wanted to play in Cleveland. Why do you think all of LeBron's best (and I use that term loosely) teammates in Cleveland were salary dumps? Shaq, Williams, and Jamison were also traded for magic beans because their respective teams wanted nothing to do with them. Im not sure why people like to ignore this fact. NBA players don't want to play in Cleveland.[/QUOTE]
He could have talked Bosh into teaming up with him in NY before they got Amare, or could have just joined Amare. I would say that he didn't need to team up with a top-5 player, but the results before and after indicate that he did. I'm cool with that as long as people remember it when they try to place him in top-10 all time above the other greats who didn't have to do what he did.
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[QUOTE=pegasus]He could have talked Bosh into teaming up with him in NY before they got Amare, or could have just joined Amare. I would say that he didn't need to team up with a top-5 player, but the results before and after indicate that he did. I'm cool with that as long as people remember it when they try to place him in top-10 all time above the other greats who didn't have to do what he did.[/QUOTE]
beautifully put, well done.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
If I'm building an NBA team, I'm taking Shaq if I have the first overall pick. Yeah, over Jordan.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=ripthekik]
1) Shaq + below average players and bench
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This. The 3-peat Lakers relied HEAVILY on their two best players and it was far more a two headed monster in LA than just Shaq and his little Robin aka Kobe Bryant like Kobe detractors like to believe. Especially in 2001/2002 Kobe & Shaq were Co-MVP level. Much like Magic & Kareem.
They won 3 straight championships, which is a rare feat. Who was the 3rd best player on those team? Glen Rice and Rick Fox/Derek Fisher? Those team were not very talented outside of Shaq and Kobe, they had below average role players starting at each position outside of their center and shooting guard, and they had a weak bench. Yet they weren't just a championship caliber team, but they were a DYNASTY. In fact, out of all the dynasties in NBA history those Lakers were CLEARLY the least talented. Shaq and Kobe BOTH deserve huge amounts of credit for those 3 championships.
The 3-peat Lakers were not a typical championship team, because there was no 3rd All-Star caliber player, or even really a 3rd scoring option (much less a superstar as their 3rd option like Chris Bosh) save for 2000 with an aging Glen Rice in that role putting up 12/4/2 on 41% shooting in the playoffs. This left plenty of room for Kobe to play his game and produce like a first option himself with Derek Fisher or Rick Fox as the closest thing the team had to a 3rd option in 2001 and 2002. Neither were scoring options. The offense went through Shaq first, but Kobe didn't have to take a backseat like Wade has the last 2 seasons because there's no Chris Bosh, much less a Ray Allen now as well, and because Kobe was improving, not declining like Wade.
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[QUOTE=pegasus]He could have talked Bosh into teaming up with him in NY before they got Amare, or could have just joined Amare. I would say that he didn't need to team up with a top-5 player, but the results before and after indicate that he did. I'm cool with that as long as people remember it when they try to place him in top-10 all time above the other greats who didn't have to do what he did.[/QUOTE]
Amare signed in New York before the Big 3 formed in Miami if I remember right. Bosh also was sold on living in Miami and starting a family there. It was either NYC or Cleveland, and from the reports, the Knicks absolutely bombed their interview with LeBron.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]beautifully put, well done.[/QUOTE]
Bosh wanted to live in Miami. Amare was going to any team that paid him the max. And only NYC was willing to do it considering the contract couldn't be insured.
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Someone is a little jealous :lol
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[QUOTE=SilkkTheShocker]Bosh wanted to live in Miami. Amare was going to any team that paid him the max. And only NYC was willing to do it considering the contract couldn't be insured.[/QUOTE]
Lebron could have went to the Knicks with Amare and carved his own legend. He did not. Lebron also could have went to the Bulls.
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]Lebron could have went to the [B]Knicks with Amare and carved his own legend. He did not.[/B] Lebron also could have went to the Bulls.[/QUOTE]
LeBron isn't doing that right now? :oldlol:
only morons like yourself would think LBJ isn't climbing the All Time Greats list yearly.
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]LeBron isn't doing that right now? :oldlol:
only morons like yourself would think LBJ isn't climbing the All Time Greats list yearly.[/QUOTE]
Nope. 40 years later, someone would bring up one of the Alll-time greats: Lebron James. The other kid says: prime Wade and Bosh. End of conversation.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
You don't surround your superstar with Shaq. Shaq is the superstar you surround.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=ripthekik]I think it has to been made clear. It is:
1) Shaq + below average players and bench
Going through strong West playoffs with Blazers, Kings, etc and the possibility of hack-a-shaq
2) Wade+ Bosh + Ray + Battier and all their shooters
Going through a weak east as currently: no superstars
Which would be easier to win a ring?[/QUOTE]
Horry, Fisher, and Fox >>> current Battier
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]Horry, Fisher, and Fox >>> current Battier[/QUOTE]
Horry, Fisher, and Fox > Battier, Haslem, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, Chalmers, Mike Miller??? really? :eek:
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Ok so since this is for some reason still going on i'll put it down this way to end the debate.
LeBron - 17,545,000
Shaq 2000 - 19,285,715
Ray Allen - 3,090,000
Kevin Love - 13,668,750
Mario Chalmers - 4,000,000
Starting line up total - 57,589,465
Current Heat
LeBron - 17,545,000
Wade - 17,024,000
Bosh - 17,545,000
Rio - 4,000,000
Haslem - 4,060,000
Staring line up total - 60,174,000
Tony Allen - 3,300,000
Ian Mahinimi - 4,000,000
Billups - 3,000,000
CJ Miles - 2,225,000
Brandon Bass - 6,500,000
Lewis - 1,352,181
Cole - 1,113,600
Birdman - 699,952
Harrelson - 358,680
Terrel Harris - 304,878
Jarvis Varnado - 275,804
Bench total - 23,130,095
Current Heat Bench
Miller - 5,800,000
Anthony - 3,750,000
Jones - 3,350,000
Battier - 3,135,000
Allen - 3,090,000
Lewis - 1,352,181
Cole - 1,113,600
Birdman - 699,952
Harrelson - 358,680
Terrel Harris - 304,878
Jarvis Varnado - 275,804
Total - 23,230,095
Made up team total - 80,719,560
Current Heat total - 83,404,095
Difference - 2,684,535
That's right on a team that has two of the top 5 players of all time peak wise, and the best PF (or second) in the NBA on it I spent less money, while giving them a better bench, and a complimentary starting line up.
I didn't use any players on rookie contracts to my knowledge.
Easily 70 wins.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=KingBeasley08]If I'm building an NBA team, I'm taking Shaq if I have the first overall pick. Yeah, over Jordan.[/QUOTE]
you're going a little too far with that
Jordan is the G.O.A.T. and isn't lazy like Shaq was.
I would draft Kareem, Hakeem, and Duncan over shaq too.
Shaq was overall better than Duncan and Hakeem but i know what i would get out of Duncan and Hakeem. Neither Duncan and Hakeem would cause our orginazation problems like Shaq did with all of his teams he was on besides when he was in Cleveland and Boston. Can be because he was immature for he most part. Not to mention Shaq's P&R defense was ass and his FT% was horrible.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Horry, Fisher, and Fox > Battier, Haslem, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, Chalmers, Mike Miller??? really? :eek:[/QUOTE]
Mike Miller doesnt even play :lol
but how are u going to mention Battier like he's some star but be like "Horry, Fox, and Fisher were below average"
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]Mike Miller doesnt even play :lol
but how are u going to mention Battier like he's some star but be like "Horry, Fox, and Fisher were below average"[/QUOTE]
Mike Miller dropped 7 threes in the finals for the Heat last season, foo'.
Battier has always been a great player, he has been defending the opposite team's best player for YEARS, and doesn't need the ball in his hands, can knock down the 3 shot and make clutch defensive plays.
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=qrich]Wade and Bosh have a combined 3 rings (2 in one year) with one Finals MVP.
Shaq has 4 rings with three FMVPs. Should have been 5ive rings but we know what happened with one of them.
This is a pretty easy decision really.
Unless you are talking right now, than Wade and Bosh over a 41 year old Shaq. Hell, I'd take current Chris Kaman over a 41 year old Shaq.[/QUOTE]
this. not much of a question really...
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
What you don't mention is Shaq was the Alpha on that team, winning all three finals MVP while Kobe rode him, also don't forget about the GOAT coach Phil Jackson
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=ripthekik]Horry, Fisher, and Fox > [B]Battier, Haslem, Ray Allen, Chris Anderson, Chalmers, Mike Miller???[/B] really? :eek:[/QUOTE]
Lol. You say that like that's some epic roster or something.:roll:
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Re: Option 1:Wade + Bosh Option 2: Shaq
[QUOTE=LikeABosh]What you don't mention is Shaq was the Alpha on that team, winning all three finals MVP while Kobe rode him[/QUOTE]
Alright, then let's call a spade a spade. I don't see why we should diminish Kobe for winning with Shaq. Nobody diminishes Magic for winning with Kareem. But if you want to say Kobe piggy backed Shaq for 3 rings, let's also bring up that LeBron visibly pouted and quit on his team in an odd turn of events after game 3 vs Boston in 2010. He then BEGGED for help to get a ring and moved to another top 3 superstar's franchise and city who had also already acquired another top 15-20 perennial All-Star/Top 5 PF in the league because the route to a ring and multiple rings was tremendously easier than it would have been anywhere else. Hence why he said they would win 8 rings and "once the game starts, it's gonna be easy" and why Wade said "I feel sorry for whoever has to guard us."
btw for all this talk about "alphas" and #1 options" usually, when a guy is the undisputed alpha, he's the player taking the last shots, closing out games, being a go to guy when the game is on the line among many other things. For the Lakers, that was often Kobe Bryant. That isn't often examined... Kobe was generally "plan B" throughout the game as far as scoring goes. However in the 4th quarter, he often became "plan A" and sometimes, "plan AA" if Phil sat Shaq because of hack-a-Shaq. In the history of the game, how often were guys who were riding the coattails of other players asked to take over so consistently? Plus, it's not like Kobe was a role player or a Tony Parker level 2nd option.
He was part of a one-two punch duo, and he averaged 21/5/4, 29/7/6, 27/6/5 in the playoffs in the playoffs while taking the last shots.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Jabbar]Which one would you rather pick to surround your superstar in order to win championships. Shortcut #1 or Option #2?[/QUOTE]
Shaq, no question.
:kobe:
He was the [B]greatest power center[/B] ever to play the game. More [B]powerful [/B]than Wilt Chamberlain, tho not as versatile in scoring, and more [B]dominant [/B]than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, tho not as unstoppable, and more [B]relentless [/B]than Moses Malone, tho not as consistent.
Dwyane Wade's talents overlap with LeBron James far too much, and it took them nearly 2 years to figure it out, how to play off the ball, despite being in their primes.
Chris Bosh is a solid all-star, effective, but nothing dominant.
Every intelligent GM will go with Shaq.
Every troll will go with "shortcut #1." :no:
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[QUOTE=ripthekik]Mike Miller dropped 7 threes in the finals for the Heat last season, foo'.
Battier has always been a great player, [B]he has been defending the opposite team's best player for YEARS,[/B] and doesn't need the ball in his hands, can knock down the 3 shot and make clutch defensive plays.[/QUOTE]
for so many years that he's getting old maybe :confusedshrug:
just because Mike Miller showed up in 1 game doesn't mean he is a bragging right to have nowadays. LeBron was the reason why he was so opened in the first place
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[QUOTE=NumberSix]Lol. You say that like that's some epic roster or something.:roll:[/QUOTE]
I don't remember those Lakers shooting anything like this in any series during the 3 peat.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/N4r4gJP.png[/IMG]
39/82 48% from 3 :confusedshrug:
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[QUOTE=Ne 1]Alright, then let's call a spade a spade. I don't see why we should diminish Kobe for winning with Shaq. Nobody diminishes Magic for winning with Kareem. But if you want to say Kobe piggy backed Shaq for 3 rings, let's also bring up that LeBron visibly pouted and quit on his team in an odd turn of events after game 3 vs Boston in 2010. [B]He then BEGGED for help to get a ring and moved to another top 3 superstar's franchise and city who had also already acquired another top 15-20 perennial All-Star/Top 5 PF [/B]in the league because the route to a ring and multiple rings was tremendously easier than it would have been anywhere else. Hence why he said they would win 8 rings and "once the game starts, it's gonna be easy" and why Wade said "I feel sorry for whoever has to guard us."[/QUOTE]
let's say LeBron stayed in cleveland and the Cavs continued to do little effort to bring in talent. We would all be like
"LeBron could have went to the Heat and form a dynasty but instead he picked the money like a dumbass"
he would be in KG's shoes when he was in Minny
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[QUOTE=Ne 1]Alright, then let's call a spade a spade. I don't see why we should diminish Kobe for winning with Shaq. Nobody diminishes Magic for winning with Kareem. But if you want to say Kobe piggy backed Shaq for 3 rings, let's also bring up that LeBron visibly pouted and quit on his team in an odd turn of events after game 3 vs Boston in 2010. He then BEGGED for help to get a ring and moved to another top 3 superstar's franchise and city who had also already acquired another top 15-20 perennial All-Star/Top 5 PF in the league because the route to a ring and multiple rings was tremendously easier than it would have been anywhere else. Hence why he said they would win 8 rings and "once the game starts, it's gonna be easy" and why Wade said "I feel sorry for whoever has to guard us."
btw for all this talk about "alphas" and #1 options" usually, when a guy is the undisputed alpha, he's the player taking the last shots, closing out games, being a go to guy when the game is on the line among many other things. For the Lakers, that was often Kobe Bryant. That isn't often examined... Kobe was generally "plan B" throughout the game as far as scoring goes. However in the 4th quarter, he often became "plan A" and sometimes, "plan AA" if Phil sat Shaq because of hack-a-Shaq. In the history of the game, how often were guys who were riding the coattails of other players asked to take over so consistently? Plus, it's not like Kobe was a role player or a Tony Parker level 2nd option.
He was part of a one-two punch duo, and he averaged 21/5/4, 29/7/6, 27/6/5 in the playoffs in the playoffs while taking the last shots.[/QUOTE]
I'm not trying to diminish what Kobe did, I'm just calling out OP for being a retard. Acting like like Kobe some how had it tougher than Lebron has it with ****ing prime Shaq Phil Jackson and the most illustrious franchise in NBA history
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[QUOTE=LikeABosh]I'm not trying to diminish what Kobe did, I'm just calling out OP for being a retard. Acting like like Kobe some how had it tougher than Lebron has it with ****ing prime Shaq Phil Jackson and [I]the most illustrious franchise in NBA history[/I][/QUOTE]
Do you think Magic, Kareem and West were on the team too? :oldlol: Their history had nothing to do with winning those titles on the court.
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]let's say LeBron stayed in cleveland and the Cavs continued to do little effort to bring in talent. We would all be like
"LeBron could have went to the Heat and form a dynasty but instead he picked the money like a dumbass"
he would be in KG's shoes when he was in Minny[/QUOTE]
Well who knows how well that 2010 Cavs team does if LeBron doesn't visibly quit and pout vs Boston. Even Delonte West played better than LeBron during that game 5 vs Boston where he gave up on his team before the series was over. We'll never know now what their capabilities were. Did LeBron have a superstar co-runner with the Cavs? No, but he had well built teams with appropriate pieces that fit LeBron's game, strength and playing stye and the worst part about that whole debacle was that years Cavs team actually did have a legit shot at winning a championship. If the Cavs could have gotten past the East they would have had the eventual champion Lakers, who they swept during the regular season. The would have faced Orlando again that year but this time with Shaq who was their to slow down and cause problems for Dwight. The Cavs also had home court advantage for two straight 60+ win seasons and couldn't get to the Finals once and got bounced in the semis as a 1st seed. A team that is capable of winning 60+ wins two seasons in a row isn't capable of winning a title? I think not. I don't see how Lebron didn't have a " good enough team" when it was HIM who played poorly game 5 vs Boston and not his teammates. James was 3-14 in that game while looking absolutely lost on both sides of the court while a shell of himself Shaq was 7-11 and Parker was 5-8.
But anyway the point is James didn't compete to the best of his abilities. Look at the 2012 Heat. They were worse talent wise and health wise than the 2011 Heat and IMO faced a superior Finals opponent, and a better Conference Finals opponent. What was the difference? LeBron tried. In 2011, he gave up in the Finals and went into full Casper mode.
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[QUOTE=pegasus]I hate the guy, but Wade is one of the best slashers of all time, and his mid-range was money in 2006 (let's not forget the "zebras", but they would be in full effect for Lebron too, so that's a wash), which are two things Lebron cannot do consistently at an elite level.
Barreling into defenders is not slashing, and I can see him missing critical free throws, forcing him to overthink his drive and shoot instead (which usually becomes unreliable in the playoffs) and pass more, but who's gonna shoot/slash/create for him? Especially in the 4th quarters when Shaq is busy missing most of his own free throws.
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Okay, the actual facts:
- Lebron this year is shooting a better percentage from mid range than Dwyane Wade did in '06.
- If you want to say all Lebron does is "barrel into defenders" that's fine but he still gets to the rim and converts at an elite level so it doesn't matter how he does it.
- They both shoot roughly the same FT%. Lebron is actually shooting better than wade in "clutch time".
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[QUOTE=Ne 1]Well who knows how well that 2010 Cavs team does if LeBron doesn't visibly quit and pout vs Boston. Even Delonte West played better than LeBron during that game 5 vs Boston where he gave up on his team before the series was over. We'll never know now what their capabilities were. Did LeBron have a superstar co-runner with the Cavs? No, but he had well built teams with appropriate pieces that fit LeBron's game, strength and playing stye and the worst part about that whole debacle was that years Cavs team actually did have a legit shot at winning a championship. If the Cavs could have gotten past the East they would have had the eventual champion Lakers, who they swept during the regular season. The would have faced Orlando again that year but this time with Shaq who was their to slow down and cause problems for Dwight. The Cavs also had home court advantage for two straight 60+ win seasons and couldn't get to the Finals once and got bounced in the semis as a 1st seed. A team that is capable of winning 60+ wins two seasons in a row isn't capable of winning a title? I think not. I don't see how Lebron didn't have a " good enough team" when it was HIM who played poorly game 5 vs Boston and not his teammates. James was 3-14 in that game while looking absolutely lost on both sides of the court while a shell of himself Shaq was 7-11 and Parker was 5-8.
But anyway the point is James didn't compete to the best of his abilities. Look at the 2012 Heat. They were worse talent wise and health wise than the 2011 Heat and IMO faced a superior Finals opponent, and a better Conference Finals opponent. What was the difference? LeBron tried. In 2011, he gave up in the Finals and went into full Casper mode.[/QUOTE]
here is what i see from what u wrote
-The Cavs lost by 32 in game 5 vs the Celtics. The Celtics were just roling that game and were going to win regarless on how well LeBron James played. LeBron for the most part make Paul Pierce look hell of average in that series but the Celtics had other player completely outplaying their matchups.
-The Heat in 2011 was really just 3 guys going apeshit. Wade was better in 2011 but they had mad holes in their roster and Erik Spoelstra was badly outcoached by rick carlisle
-The Cavs didn't do much to keep LeBron james in Cleveland during the off season. The Heat, Bulls, and the Knicks all had brought in players to attract LeBron's attention while the Cavs didn't do anything to retool.
-Cleveland is a shitty city. Cold, boring, depressing, smelly, you name it. Chicago and NY are cold too but at least we have... i dont know... shit to do :confusedshrug:
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Thread backfire. Peggy butthurt as usual, no one listening to his sad attempts at trolling.
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[QUOTE=Bigsmoke]here is what i see from what u wrote
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here is what i see from what u wrote:
Whenever LeBron's teams lost, it was all because of his teammates, coach and front office, but whenever they win, it's all because of LeBron's greatness, in fact he's so great that he needed to collude and join forces with two other superstars in their prime in order to win championships.
In other word's: me and pauk are ISH's official LeBron apologists. (pauk actually blamed Wade for Miami's melt down against Dallas in '11, not even joking) :roll:
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[QUOTE=Yao Ming's Foot]Do you think Magic, Kareem and West were on the team too? :oldlol: Their history had nothing to do with winning those titles on the court.[/QUOTE]
Lakers are a superbly run organization.
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[QUOTE=Ne 1]here is what i see from what u wrote:
Whenever LeBron's teams lost, it was all because of his teammates, coach and front office, but whenever they win, it's all because of LeBron's greatness, in fact he's so great that he needed to collude and join forces with two other superstars in their prime in order to win championships.
In other word's: me and pauk are ISH's official LeBron apologists. (pauk actually blamed Wade for Miami's melt down against Dallas in '11, not even joking) :roll:[/QUOTE]
i think LeBron's failure are well documented :confusedshrug:
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Not that this has anything to do with anything, but wasn't there a story about an ISH poster who followed Kobe's into a men's-room?
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[QUOTE=NumberSix]Not that this has anything to do with anything, but wasn't there a story about an ISH poster who followed Kobe's into a men's-room?[/QUOTE]
They wanted to see the Black Mamba.