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kennethgriffin 11-25-2012 09:55 PM

on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

one of the greatest to ever do it. constantly disrespected. constantly overlooked. constantly underrated.

there is rarely a stat for it. it is measured by watching games. there isn't always a steal. there isn't always a block. but theres always great foot work.

the most unappreciated kind of defender. it requires more talent than a big man due to handchecking rules being 100 times more constant on the perimeter

just watch the video and understand why he has 9 first team all defensive awards. the most in nba history

LoneyROY7 11-25-2012 09:56 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball among fans
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

one of the greatest to ever do it. constantly disrespected. constantly overlooked. constantly underrated.

there is rarely a stat for it. it is measured by watching games. there isn't always a steal. there isn't always a block. but theres always great foot work.

the most unappreciated kind of defender. it requires more talent than a big man due to handchecking rules being 100 times more severe on the perimeter

just watch the video and understand why he has 9 first team all defensive awards. the most in nba history


Let me guess, that video you posted is of Kobe.

:coleman:

LAClipsFan33 11-25-2012 10:00 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
The real reason why he has 9 1st Team All Defensive Awards is that it has become a very sad popularity contest

Just2McFly 11-25-2012 10:01 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 

andremiller07 11-25-2012 10:02 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
The best on ball perimeter defense I have seen did involve Kobe Bryant but he was the one getting shutdown back when they faced Detriot in the finals and LINDSEY HUNTER who had the most insane lateral quickness just shut him down I have literally never seen defense like that since that guy at that point of his career was a monster on D.

fpliii 11-25-2012 10:05 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

one of the greatest to ever do it. constantly disrespected. constantly overlooked. constantly underrated.

there is rarely a stat for it. it is measured by watching games. there isn't always a steal. there isn't always a block. but theres always great foot work.

the most unappreciated kind of defender. it requires more talent than a big man due to handchecking rules being 100 times more constant on the perimeter

just watch the video and understand why he has 9 first team all defensive awards. the most in nba history


Historically not so much, but since the latest hand-checking guidlelines were implemented I agree to some extent. Being able to shut your man down without getting called for a foul is huge in today's league (since the mid-2000s). Various rule changes:

widening of the lane twice
five seconds back to the basket
how zone defense is called
how 3 seconds (on offense and defense) are called
three-pointer
handchecking changes (not once but twice, I believe though there might've been a third guidelines changed)

have moved the game away from the basket. Perimeter players can't really anchor a defense (the exception being Pippen for the Bulls), but they can be nearly as important to schemes in today's game, especially if they can shut down their matchups while staying on the court and remaining productive offensively.

This is of course assuming you separate rebounding from defense. If rebounding is counted as part of a defender's impact then even in today's league, which is designed for dominant wings to succeed at the highest level, then perimeter players can't come close to impacting a game on that side of the ball (NOTE: I don't care if my PG contributes anything defensively, so I'm talking exclusively about 2's and 3's).

plowking 11-25-2012 10:05 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
That was nice, but call me when he does it as good as Lebron. That guy is way better than him at it.

Yao Ming's Foot 11-25-2012 10:05 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LAClipsFan33
The real reason why he has 9 1st Team All Defensive Awards is that it has become a very sad popularity contest


Kobe working his voodoo to get NBA coaches to vote for him. Too bad the advanced stat brigade wasn't around to statistically validate Jordan's all defensive team selections every year. :oldlol:

HardwoodLegend 11-25-2012 10:09 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andremiller07
The best on ball perimeter defense I have seen did involve Kobe Bryant but he was the one getting shutdown back when they faced Detriot in the finals and LINDSEY HUNTER who had the most insane lateral quickness just shut him down I have literally never seen defense like that since that guy at that point of his career was a monster on D.


:oldlol:

It's so funny to see kengriffin's parades get rained upon.

Yao Ming's Foot 11-25-2012 10:14 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andremiller07
The best on ball perimeter defense I have seen did involve Kobe Bryant but he was the one getting shutdown back when they faced Detriot in the finals and LINDSEY HUNTER who had the most insane lateral quickness just shut him down I have literally never seen defense like that since that guy at that point of his career was a monster on D.


Lindsey Hunter averaged 13 mins a game in the Finals and shot .29% from the field. :confusedshrug:

Heavincent 11-25-2012 10:14 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Kobe is a great defender when he wants to be, but he didn't deserve an all defensive selection last year. It was an absolute crime that Thabo Sefolosha didn't make an all defensive team. He is arguably the best defender in the entire league. Dude is a superstar killer.

Kobe was arguably the best perimeter defender in his prime though.

Spaulding 11-25-2012 10:15 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Didnt even have to click on the video or read the post. Saw the op and knew who the post was about.

:coleman:

Round Mound 11-25-2012 10:15 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
I Still Don`t Understand Why His Defensive Rating and Defensive WIn Share is Not Elite At All. And Yeah Broken Down Stats Like PER are Useless even Though MJ had The Highest Ever :confusedshrug:

andremiller07 11-25-2012 10:16 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yao Ming's Foot
Lindsey Hunter averaged 13 mins a game in the Finals and shot .29% from the field. :confusedshrug:


Yeap and for those 13 mins he terrorised the Lakers backcourt badly at the age of like 37

inclinerator 11-25-2012 10:17 PM

Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks
 
40 seconds for 1 play r u kidding me


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