raped by tinsey in thisgame. I mean lin's butthole might be th size of china fter all the continues rapings he has had this season.
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raped by tinsey in thisgame. I mean lin's butthole might be th size of china fter all the continues rapings he has had this season.
This thread is exactly what I said it would be on page 1, mad knicks fans being haters.
Maybe he's missing Landry Fields and Fields is missing him too... :(
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Part deux
Damn he had a offensive OUTBURST today 13 points (5/15) man I can't beleive the Warriors did not drop both Monta Ellis and Steph Curry for him and let him go to New York and I can't beleive NYK let him go on top that this guy has been a STUD all season a lock for the starting all star spot:roll:
At this point I'd basically take any other starter over Lin, he's not playing like a starter and it sucks to know that even the 2nd best point guard on last season's Rocket team would abuse Lin..
Even the now 34 year old scrub Tinsley who averages 0.9 points per game on 17% shooting came in and outplayed Lin a la putting up 11 assists and 5 rebounds in 21 minutes. Lin himself had as many assists as turnovers and he still can't even hit the easiest of shots, 5-15...
[QUOTE=millwad]At this point I'd basically take any other starter over Lin, he's not playing like a starter and it sucks to know that even the 2nd best point guard on last season's Rocket team would abuse Lin..
Even the now 34 year old scrub Tinsley who averages 0.9 points per game on 17% shooting came in and outplayed Lin a la putting up 11 assists and 5 rebounds in 21 minutes. Lin himself had as many assists as turnovers and he still can't even hit the easiest of shots, 5-15...[/QUOTE]
How can you have assists if your team mates brick shots :facepalm
[QUOTE=shoops]Lillard didn't actually go off on Lin, he went off near the end of the game and on Douglas. Props to Lillard for that though. Lin didn't help at the post and slack off on Lillard at the 3 in the latest Portland game. However, he tried to give help d yesterday on Howard several times unsuccessfully, and it left his man wide open for a 3. Bad idea, but I think it was a coaching decision to double/triple the post, as he wasn't the only one. Would've been better probably used his own judgment and disregard the coach, and stuck to his man though. He looked a bit sluggish on defense vs the Lakers and his D didn't look great, but it was the 3s that were problematic.[/QUOTE]
Come on, when will you stop with all these excuses..
Lin can barely handle 2nd and third string pointguards like Morris and Tinsley now and against Lakers he had the worst efficiency number among all players and yesterday Tinsley had his way with Lin.
Lin is terrible.
[QUOTE=BlitzForce]How can you have assists if your team mates brick shots :facepalm[/QUOTE]
Yeah, everyone just decided to miss when they got passes from Lin yesterday but somehow the terrible Douglas who played 15 minutes last game dished out 4 assists, Parsons had 5 assists and even the sick Harden who only played 17 minutes collected 3 assists.
Lin had 3 assists and 3 turnovers and he only made 5 out of 15 shots, he was terrible.
Can the Rockets please bring in Scott Machado already
[QUOTE=millwad]Come on, when will you stop with all these excuses..
Lin can barely handle 2nd and third string pointguards like Morris and Tinsley now and against Lakers he had the worst efficiency number among all players and yesterday Tinsley had his way with Lin.
Lin is terrible.[/QUOTE]
No excuses made there man... Lin's shooting has to get better, that's where his main problem is right now. :confusedshrug:
[QUOTE=shoops]No excuses made there man... Lin's shooting has to get better, that's where his main problem is right now. :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
It's not just his shooting, he's not even playing like a point guard. He needs to create way more and take charge of the offense, he's not doing that. And I am not only talking about assists, he is not playing like the floor manager, like the point guard.
He's definitely one of the worst starting point guards in the league, maybe the worst.
[QUOTE=millwad]It's not just his shooting, he's not even playing like a point guard. He needs to create way more and take charge of the offense, he's not doing that. And I am not only talking about assists, he is not playing like the floor manager, like the point guard.
He's definitely one of the worst starting point guards in the league, maybe the worst.[/QUOTE]
Right now the team isn't playing well as a whole, look how many points they gave up. Lack of a go-to scorer outside of Harden and unsophisticated offense is showing. Not having a healthy Harden yesterday is gonna hurt. Let's face it, right now it looks like the team is headed for the lottery, they'll have to learn to play well consistently before good things happen. Lin is just one of the pieces of the puzzle, he needs to improve from where he's at now, and he probably will.
[QUOTE=shoops]Right now the team isn't playing well as a whole, look how many points they gave up. Lack of a go-to scorer outside of Harden and unsophisticated offense is showing. Not having a healthy Harden yesterday is gonna hurt. Let's face it, right now it looks like the team is headed for the lottery, they'll have to learn to play well consistently before good things happen. Lin is just one of the pieces of the puzzle, he needs to improve from where he's at now, and he probably will.[/QUOTE]
You're making a lot of excuses for Lin.
Here millwad, I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. Clearly, you see Lin as a scrub, and I feel he'll be fine if he can get his shooting and swag together. But I think you shouldn't just focus on Lin when you talk about the Rockets problems, as there are other team problems to talk about in addition to Lin's.
[QUOTE=AngelEyes]You're making a lot of excuses for Lin.[/QUOTE]
Those are issues the team faces as a whole. I'm not excusing Lin's poor shooting, involvement levels by saying that. It's just how it is. Nobody on the roster really looks threatening, outside of Harden.
[QUOTE=shoops]It's just how it is. Nobody on the roster really looks threatening, outside of Harden.[/QUOTE]
Thats what happends when you give up Scola, Dragic, Lowry,Kevin Martin and Lamb and only get Harden and Asik in return who are good.
The saga of Lin is fascinating, to say the least. It was clear how much confidence he had in New York, but it is also quite clear he has lost almost, if not all his confidence based on the manner in which he is currently playing. I would personally advice Lin to seek professional help, as he seems like he may require some guidance to get his life back on track.
Lol at ^ :wtf: ???
[QUOTE=andremiller07]Thats what happends when you give up Scola, Dragic, Lowry,Kevin Martin and Lamb and only get Harden and Asik in return who are good.[/QUOTE]
Well, gotta make a move sometime instead of being stuck as a fringe playoff/lottery team. They're hoping some of the young players will develop into something decent I guess. Also, they still have space for another star player, so that's something as well. And I don't consider Asik a threat yet, his offensive game just isn't anywhere near consistent so far.
[QUOTE=shoops]Lol at ^ :wtf: ???
Well, gotta make a move sometime instead of being stuck as a fringe playoff/lottery team. They're hoping some of the young players will develop into something decent I guess. Also, they still have space for another star player, so that's something as well. And I don't consider Asik a threat yet, his offensive game just isn't anywhere near consistent so far.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough but to give up both Dragic and Lowry is just beyond idiotic, as for Asik hes been a very decent big man he moves well without the ball just needs to finish a bit better.
[QUOTE=andremiller07]Fair enough but to give up both Dragic and Lowry is just beyond idiotic, as for Asik hes been a very decent big man he moves well without the ball just needs to finish a bit better.[/QUOTE]
It looks dumb to give up both Dragic and Lowry, but Lowry wanted out and the Rockets got Harden indirectly by trading Lowry. Dragic on the other hand is better than Lin with more experience, although a 4 year contract with player option gives the Rockets less flexibility and gives Dragic more leverage. But yeah, not getting him again could be detrimental and so far it looks kinda like that, but in reality time will tell I guess. As for Asik, yes, he's very decent and his defense and rebounding is invaluable even if his offense is still very raw.
[QUOTE=Sigmund Freud]The saga of Lin is fascinating, to say the least. It was clear how much confidence he had in New York, but it is also quite clear he has lost almost, if not all his confidence based on the manner in which he is currently playing. I would personally advice Lin to seek professional help, as he seems like he may require some guidance to get his life back on track.[/QUOTE]
This is very easy to figure out, and it doesn't require "professional help". Lin was simply playing above his ability with an "I have nothing to lose" mentality. His level of play and offensive efficiency were complete surprises, but when teams actually started to game plan for him the shooting percentages began to drop steadily.
Although he had some decent games after the debacle in Miami that ended Linsanity, it was clear that he was not capable of shooting a decent percentage against good defense.
Add that to his stll-suspect ballhandling skills, and you have a player who is not quite as bad as he currently looks, but will never get back to the 'Linsanity' level.
In his defense, he does seem to be a hard worker. He rebounds the ball very well for the position, and his steals numbers are good -- though he tends to gamble too much.
[QUOTE=shoops]I wasn't just directing to your previous comment, you had more than one butthurt comment recently. Just sayin'... Anyways, I think I saw that article on yahoo, but only that one, I didn't see any others on yahoo sports main page and espn... The yahoo article seemed a tad dramatic, though there's probably a little truth to it. He's the kinda guy that seems uncomfortable because of attention, in NY he was drawing it away from himself and also crediting the team as they deserved. Don't see how he tried to use those reasons to excuse his poor play like you claimed though.[/QUOTE]
Again, he had a bunch of articles. I mentioned some stuff from them. The entire Yahoo article is things that are wrong, pressure, he has no friends he can trust, etc. You said "you must be butthurt to think these things". LIN SAID THESE THINGS. Give me a break, you want me to spin things he says to mean other things now too?
[QUOTE=millwad]Yeah, everyone just decided to miss when they got passes from Lin yesterday but somehow the terrible Douglas who played 15 minutes last game dished out 4 assists, Parsons had 5 assists and even the sick Harden who only played 17 minutes collected 3 assists.
Lin had 3 assists and 3 turnovers and he only made 5 out of 15 shots, he was terrible.[/QUOTE]
Dude, did you watch the game? Lin threw some good passes but Asik must have missed three/four layup attempts because he was tired. If that was chandler, it would have been dunks.
[QUOTE=Doranku]Must be nice to get paid $8million a year for having 8 good games.
Getting injured might have been the best thing to ever happen to Lin, because he would've been exposed hardcore by Miami in the playoffs and his averages would likely have fallen back down to earth as the regular season went on. Instead, he's getting $25million/3year deals thrown at him for being one of the worst starting PGs in the league.
SMH.[/QUOTE]
I am a Lin fan, but that's the truth right there. Lin would have been shook in the playoffs by Miami. Their ball pressure would have been too much for Lin's shakey handles.
Definitely would not have coined in $25 million.
[QUOTE=niko]Again, he had a bunch of articles. I mentioned some stuff from them. The entire Yahoo article is things that are wrong, pressure, he has no friends he can trust, etc. You said "you must be butthurt to think these things". LIN SAID THESE THINGS. Give me a break, you want me to spin things he says to mean other things now too?[/QUOTE]
It's actually your repeated snide shots at Lin that makes you sound "butthurt." You're taking some remarks made to journalists and twisting it to make it sound like Lin's using them as excuses or freedom from liability.
[QUOTE=shoops]It's actually your repeated snide shots at Lin that makes you sound "butthurt." You're taking some remarks made to journalists and twisting it to make it sound like Lin's using them as excuses or freedom from liability.[/QUOTE]
Do you think the timing of Lin doing all these interviews is a coincidence? First few games, he's cruising. Has a bunch of bad games, Knicks are better without him, he does the interviews. All of them are about the huge pressure he's under and how he needs time to adjust.
You're just delusional if you don't think there is any agenda here.
My Knicks are 7-1 and we have two point guards playing better than Lin. I'm just fine. But i'm not fine with the way Lin characterizes his time in NY, he's either uber sensitive or full of it. At any point in Linsanity did you think NY fans were making life hard for Lin? That's basically what's being implied.
BTW, some of you are so butthurt with the negs just because i don't agree with you. Keep em coming, i got a lot of green.
[QUOTE=shoops]Right now the team isn't playing well as a whole, look how many points they gave up. Lack of a go-to scorer outside of Harden and unsophisticated offense is showing. Not having a healthy Harden yesterday is gonna hurt. Let's face it, right now it looks like the team is headed for the lottery, they'll have to learn to play well consistently before good things happen. Lin is just one of the pieces of the puzzle, he needs to improve from where he's at now, and he probably will.[/QUOTE]
Seriosuly, stop blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin. I have seen you posts on Clutchfans and you piss people off there as well with all your excuses for Lin.
I am happy about every player who gets PT on the team, minus Lin, Douglas and Patterson.
Parsons has been good, Harden has struggled some but overall he's ben good, Asik has been surprisingly good, Morris who I used to dislike alot has developed big time, Delfino is a nice addition and the the rest of the guys who get serious PT has been decent as well.
Lin is by far the biggest disappointment this far, he's been really bad and currently he's not playing like a starting pointguard. Yes, he is not the only piece in the puzzle but him putting up terrible game after terrible game is not helping a team who needs a pointguard really much..
[QUOTE=millwad]
Lin is by far the biggest disappointment this far, he's been really bad and currently he's not playing like a starting pointguard. Yes, he is not the only piece in the puzzle but him putting up terrible game after terrible game is not helping a team who needs a pointguard really much..[/QUOTE]
Well, look, sometimes these things work out for the best.....
.....and when I mean, work out for the best...I'm talking about the Knicks....cause Raymond Felton has been playing great. :bowdown: At about $4 million a year. :bowdown: Feltsanity:bowdown:
[QUOTE=bagelred]Well, look, sometimes these things work out for the best.....
.....and when I mean, work out for the best...I'm talking about the Knicks....cause Raymond Felton has been playing great. :bowdown: At about $4 million a year. :bowdown: Feltsanity:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Would it be Feltsanity or Feltonsanity?
[QUOTE=shoops]It looks dumb to give up both Dragic and Lowry, but Lowry wanted out and the Rockets got Harden indirectly by trading Lowry. Dragic on the other hand is better than Lin with more experience, although a 4 year contract with player option gives the Rockets less flexibility and gives Dragic more leverage. But yeah, not getting him again could be detrimental and so far it looks kinda like that, but in reality time will tell I guess. As for Asik, yes, he's very decent and his defense and rebounding is invaluable even if his offense is still very raw.[/QUOTE]
I don't care about the Lowry trade, it gave the Rockets none other than James Harden.
But letting Dragic leave was a huge mistake, the player option thing shouldn't even have been a too big deal really. Instead of that they signed Lin to a more expensive contract while they knew how unproven he really was and that he had major flaws in his game like his ball handling and his terrible left hand.
And while Goran's stock is all-time high, Lin's stock is all-time low and everyone is making fun of the Rockets for their horrible decision and Lin is currently one of the worst, if not the worst starting point guard in the NBA.
[QUOTE=bagelred]Well, look, sometimes these things work out for the best.....
.....and when I mean, work out for the best...I'm talking about the Knicks....cause Raymond Felton has been playing great. :bowdown: At about $4 million a year. :bowdown: Feltsanity:bowdown:[/QUOTE]
Felton has been great, it's laughabe to know that the Rockets pay 5 million more this season for Lin compared to what the Knicks are going to pay Felton.
And the worst thing about this situation is that the Rockets will be stuck with Lin for a long time as the starting point guard. Lin's contract structure would be great if Lin was a baller to count with, it would open for a nice signing during the offseason but it's a horrible contract for the Rockets when Lin suck because he's impossible to trade with that massive last year pay..
[QUOTE=niko]Do you think the timing of Lin doing all these interviews is a coincidence? First few games, he's cruising. Has a bunch of bad games, Knicks are better without him, he does the interviews. All of them are about the huge pressure he's under and how he needs time to adjust.
You're just delusional if you don't think there is any agenda here.
My Knicks are 7-1 and we have two point guards playing better than Lin. I'm just fine. But i'm not fine with the way Lin characterizes his time in NY, he's either uber sensitive or full of it. At any point in Linsanity did you think NY fans were making life hard for Lin? That's basically what's being implied.[/QUOTE]
Players are constantly getting questions from the media, these are no exception, but I suppose the media feels it's a nice time to write about them given his performance. Nothing much about that article was exactly groundbreaking. Unless you mean that part where he says "he didn't trust anyone," that part sounds just like some sensationalist crap even if it came from his mouth. Not like he's blaming NY for his poor performance. Lin has said that he loved the fans, didn't love the pressure. And no I don't think fans were making life hard for him, but regardless he was under a lot of pressure and he performed well there. I don't see why you keep saying that he hated NY and stuff, it's silly.
And I'm not negging you btw, I got a neg saying "Macedonia Sucks." for that post :oldlol: :oldlol:
[QUOTE=millwad]Seriosuly, stop blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin. I have seen you posts on Clutchfans and you piss people off there as well with all your excuses for Lin. [/QUOTE]
Blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin? It's more like every player needs some criticism, Lin included. It's a team game, everyone has a part in it. And honestly what your saying about my posts on cf is bollocks, you must have gotten me confused with other posters, because I haven't "pissed off people" with "excuses." Hell I hardly even mention him, I mention other players more.
[QUOTE=shoops]Players are constantly getting questions from the media, these are no exception, but I guess the media feels it's a nice time to write about them given his performance. Not like he's blaming NY for his poor performance. Lin has said that he loved the fans, didn't love the pressure. And no I don't think fans were making life hard for him, but regardless he was under a lot of pressure and he performed well there. I don't see why you keep saying that he hated NY and stuff, it's silly.
And I'm not negging you btw, I got a neg saying "Macedonia Sucks." for that post :oldlol: :oldlol:
Blaming every player on the freaking roster as soon as anyone mentions Lin? It's more like every player needs some criticism, Lin included. It's a team game, everyone has a part in it. And honestly what your saying about my posts on cf is bollocks, you must have gotten me confused with other posters, because I haven't "pissed off people" with "excuses." Hell I hardly even mention him, I mention other players more.[/QUOTE]
I don't think he hated NY. I don't see the need for him to tell us the pressure he was under, that the attention (in another interview) freaked him out, that he can't trust anyone anymore, the allusions toward Melo/Smith/Woodson all the interviews make (which means him or his handlers are leading it that way).
It all smacks of excuses. His play being poor is a combination of 29 factors, none of which are Lin's fault. The coach not using him right, the other players, his knee, the pressure, etc. Felton got called fat and basically that he sucked and Lin was better and he's reveling in it.
[QUOTE=niko]I don't think he hated NY. I don't see the need for him to tell us the pressure he was under, that the attention (in another interview) freaked him out, that he can't trust anyone anymore, the allusions toward Melo/Smith/Woodson all the interviews make (which means him or his handlers are leading it that way).
It all smacks of excuses. His play being poor is a combination of 29 factors, none of which are Lin's fault. The coach not using him right, the other players, his knee, the pressure, etc. Felton got called fat and basically that he sucked and Lin was better and he's reveling in it.[/QUOTE]
Guys like him get asked questions all the time, lots of shitty questions too, you see those asian reporters dogging him as well as asking his teammates about Lin? Half assed responses are bound to appear. He hasn't offloaded the blame for his poor shooting to somewhere else, some of his fans might do that, I'm pretty sure he takes full responsibility for that.
[QUOTE=shoops]Guys like him get asked questions all the time, lots of shitty questions too, you see those asian reporters dogging him as well as asking his teammates about Lin? Half assed responses are bound to appear. He hasn't offloaded the blame for his poor shooting to somewhere else, [B]some of his fans might do that,[/B] I'm pretty sure he takes full responsibility for that.[/QUOTE]
:lol Yes they definitely do.
[QUOTE=millwad]Felton has been great, it's laughabe to know that the Rockets pay 5 million more this season for Lin compared to what the Knicks are going to pay Felton.
And the worst thing about this situation is that the Rockets will be stuck with Lin for a long time as the starting point guard. Lin's contract structure would be great if Lin was a baller to count with, it would open for a nice signing during the offseason but it's a horrible contract for the Rockets when Lin suck because he's impossible to trade with that massive last year pay..[/QUOTE]
It's a basketball game, nerd. Calm down. Every post I see by you is raging about something or another. Enjoy the game.
[QUOTE=niko]:lol Yes they definitely do.[/QUOTE]
Hey I don't do that.
And every player fanbase does that for players, it's just what happens, Lin isn't an exception here.
[QUOTE=shoops]Hey I don't do that.
And every player fanbase does that for players, it's just what happens, Lin isn't an exception here.[/QUOTE]
Not to the extent Lin gets. Like the 85% comment, he said to the media in NY (when asked if he was healthy) he's 85% and then he did not play. Then someone spinned it as "he is 85% of the minimum pain threshold he can play" or something that was just absolutely ridiculous and made no ****ing sense because no human being talks like that. I guarantee every Lin fan agreed that's what he meant.
Rocket fans are different here in that they are repping Lin by putting their other players down. Not repping Lin comparing him to outside players.
[QUOTE=niko]Not to the extent Lin gets. [B]Like the 85% comment,[/B] he said to the media in NY (when asked if he was healthy) he's 85% and then he did not play. Then someone spinned it as "he is 85% of the minimum pain threshold he can play" or something that was just absolutely ridiculous and made no ****ing sense because no human being talks like that. I guarantee every Lin fan agreed that's what he meant.
Rocket fans are different here in that they are repping Lin by putting their other players down. Not repping Lin comparing him to outside players.[/QUOTE]
I remember that. it was hilarious. he knew miami would embarrass him And lower his value so he didn't want to play.
[QUOTE=niko]Not to the extent Lin gets. Like the 85% comment, he said to the media in NY (when asked if he was healthy) he's 85% and then he did not play. Then someone spinned it as "he is 85% of the minimum pain threshold he can play" or something that was just absolutely ridiculous and made no ****ing sense because no human being talks like that. I guarantee every Lin fan agreed that's what he meant.
Rocket fans are different here in that they are repping Lin by putting their other players down. Not repping Lin comparing him to outside players.[/QUOTE]
I think the 85% thing is a stupid answer too, but it was also a stupid question and shitty questions beget throwaway responses. Pretty sure people understood that Lin wasn't in serviceable playing condition so it's not really like the question shed any new light.
I haven't really seen much talk about rockets players here, and I think it is silly to put down other players if to put Lin in a better light, as each player is a mostly separate issue, but I haven't seen much of that personally.